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[Timofnine]

We also now have this weeks Admiral’s log. Apparently, the Living Construct can only be activated manually, so the Diviner, Drednok or Ascencia potentially could trigger it. The Living Construct can not destroy Starfleet by itself, it needs a manual input a bit like when Khan activated the Genesis Device I would imagine.

https://twitter.com/trekmovie/status/1605232587580088321?s=46&t=AzxIcDbV-PwL243rW551UQ

 

[Wouter]

We also now have this weeks Admiral’s log. Apparently, the Living Construct can only be activated manually, so the Diviner, Drednok or Ascencia potentially could trigger it.

I'm not sure if Drednok could trigger it. I suspect it may require Vau N'akat properties to do so, and Gwyn could also potentially (de)activate it if she engages her build-in christmas lights. This may be one of the reasons the Diviner wanted her on the ship in "A moral star": to have a back-up who could activate the weapon if the Diviner got sick or was injured. It may take (way) more than one activation to destroy Starfleet to the extent "The Order" wants, as was already demonstrated by CR-721.

Interestingly, VA Janeway calls the Diviner's timeline an "alternate future". That already seems to show she would have no problem in changing the future into something that is not this "alternate future". As it should be, the future is yet to be written.

 

[Elias Vaughn]

Interestingly, VA Janeway calls the Diviner's timeline an "alternate future". That already seems to show she would have no problem in changing the future into something that is not this "alternate future". As it should be, the future is yet to be written.

Wasn't that basically the entire plot of Endgame?

 

[AnimationAdmiral]

Wasn't that basically the entire plot of Endgame?

Yes. There is more than enough evidence in VOY and other Star Trek that alternate timelines exist alongside the prime timeline. In theory, FutureJaneway’s future still exists, but the current prime timeline would not without her intervention.

 

[Timofnine]

Interestingly, VA Janeway calls the Diviner's timeline an "alternate future". That already seems to show she would have no problem in changing the future into something that is not this "alternate future". As it should be, the future is yet to be written.

Would this also go for the Romulan Supernova? Could that be an alternate future separate from the prime timeline? Or is that future written and sealed in fate by the writers, making this catastrophic galactic event an unavoidable fixed point in time that *has* to happen In the Star Trek universe?

It would be *so* cool if Leonard Nimoy had filmed loads of extra Spock stuff that could be inserted in to a true prime timeline continuation one day, around the same time as he filmed the JJ Abrams films. But he probably didn’t.

 

[The Wormhole]

Or is that future written and sealed in fate by the writers, making this catastrophic galactic event an unavoidable fixed point in time that *has* to happen In the Star Trek universe?

Yes

 

[Timofnine]

Oh WOW! Just *look* at this battle scene! This is epic Sacrifice of Angels level stuff!
https://twitter.com/trekcore/status/1605579925762842624?s=46&t=SJDVAERpdEehxFQdDobPAA

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[StewMc]

Would this also go for the Romulan Supernova? Could that be an alternate future separate from the prime timeline? Or is that future written and sealed in fate by the writers, making this catastrophic galactic event an unavoidable fixed point in time that *has* to happen In the Star Trek universe?

I think you are going to have to accept that it's unlikely the Romulan supernova is going to be reversed, given its an explicit plot point in PIC S1, and an implied plot point in DIS S3. Nor is the event itself likely to be appearing in Prodigy anytime soon, if ever.

It would be *so* cool if Leonard Nimoy had filmed loads of extra Spock stuff that could be inserted in to a true prime timeline continuation one day, around the same time as he filmed the JJ Abrams films. But he probably didn’t.

What does "true prime timeline continuation" mean? What is it we have just now then?

 

[Timofnine]

I think you are going to have to accept that it's unlikely the Romulan supernova is going to be reversed, given its an explicit plot point in PIC S1, and an implied plot point in DIS S3. Nor is the event itself likely to be appearing in Prodigy anytime soon, if ever.



What does "true prime timeline continuation" mean? What is it we have just now then?

They never explained what made the Romulan sun go nova, for it to happen with only 5 years notice seems to imply that it was something artificial that caused it as sun’s do not suddenly just go supernova. Star Trek is usually based on science and this just does not sit with me as being natural unless they do not employ scientific advisors anymore on the show. Trilithium weapons stop all nuclear fusion within a star but almost instantly, whatever causes the Romulan sun to go nova was not so instant. This is a loose end as it was not explained properly. If the destruction is a result of interference from a faction in the temporal Cold War then it could be that everything resulting from the nova is not ‘prime timeline’, but an engineered future. If the Romulan sun was saved then it would change the Star Trek universe though, I admit, or at least splinter it in to another multiverse. If the destruction of the Romulan sun was a fixed point in time however, as in it was just meant to be, then I guess they would just have to let it happen despite the massive loss of Romulan and Reman life. I know that it is just a TV show, but it is all in the details and fans like to nitpick at things like this.

 

[fireproof78]

Or is that future written and sealed in fate by the writers, making this catastrophic galactic event an unavoidable fixed point in time that *has* to happen In the Star Trek universe?

Yup.

Star Trek is usually based on science and this just does not sit with me as being natural unless they do not employ scientific advisors anymore on the show.

They can employ them all they want; advisors do not have to be listened to. Stat Trek is loose with science, and has been for several decades now, especially with the advent of technobabble.

 

[Nerys Myk]

They never explained what made the Romulan sun go nova, for it to happen with only 5 years notice seems to imply that it was something artificial that caused it as sun’s do not suddenly just go supernova.

The why was never important. It was a means of getting Old Spock into the past and motivation for the villain. Your head canon will have to suffice until some one in charge decides there's a story to be told.

Star Trek is usually based on science and this just does not sit with me as being natural unless they do not employ scientific advisors anymore on the show.

Science advisors advise, they don't dictate. Star Trek has put plot over plausible since day one. It's accuracy is more PR spin than fact.

 

[Jinn]

They never explained what made the Romulan sun go nova, for it to happen with only 5 years notice seems to imply that it was something artificial that caused it as sun’s do not suddenly just go supernova.

The second Picard tie-in book (set before the super nova but after the start of the evacuation process) features a character called Vadrel. His backstory isn't explained in detail, but the narration remarks that "in his life before this one, the man who was now Vadrel had been a part of a project so secret that it defied even the most byzantine of Romulan schemes. But the fires of its failure had condemned billions to certain death, and he shared a great deal of the responsibility."

Of course this isn't canon and also super vague.

 

[Tuskin38]

If the destruction is a result of interference from a faction in the temporal Cold War then it could be that everything resulting from the nova is not ‘prime timeline’, but an engineered future. If the Romulan sun was saved then it would change the Star Trek universe though, I admit, or at least splinter it in to another multiverse. If the destruction of the Romulan sun was a fixed point in time however, as in it was just meant to be, then I guess they would just have to let it happen despite the massive loss of Romulan and Reman life. I know that it is just a TV show, but it is all in the details and fans like to nitpick at things like this.

They're not going to do that because of Picard and Discovery. They're set after and have acknowledged the supernova.

unless they do not employ scientific advisors anymore on the show.

They have a science Advisor, Dr. Erin Macdonald, but as was mentioned above, she's an advisor, the writers don't have to the listen to them. It was the same during the runs of Gene and Berman.

 

[Ralph O Ward III]

They're not going to do that because of Picard and Discovery. They're set after and have acknowledged the supernova.


They have a science Advisor, Dr. Erin Macdonald, but as was mentioned above, she's an advisor, the writers don't have to the listen to them. It was the same during the runs of Gene and Berman.

Oh WOW! Just *look* at this battle scene! This is epic Sacrifice of Angels level stuff!
https://twitter.com/trekcore/status/1605579925762842624?s=46&t=SJDVAERpdEehxFQdDobPAA

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Keeping the augment secret from Dal. Talk about paving the road to hell with good intentions.

 

[NCC-73515]

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More evidence these Sovereigns have blue deflectors like in the initial poster and model kit

 

[Wouter]

Wasn't that basically the entire plot of Endgame?

Well, in that episode (older) Janeway herself came from the future, though from the POV of present-day Janeway it was much the same.

Some feel that Starfleet would not want to change anything about Solum because those events would have to happen or some temporal guideline supposedly would be broken or because it would be a fixed time loop, but I'm glad VA Janeway, at least, doesn't seem to agree with such a fatalistic POV. Of course Starfleet should try to learn what happened on Solum and, if possibly, take steps to avoid a repeat performance in this specific timeline.

I have not looked at the clip posted yet, I hope there won't be too much ship-to-ship fighting in the episode because every fight is a win for "The Order" and a loss for Starfleet (unless they destroy the Protostar including the construct and the crew, but we don't want that either).

 

[Timofnine]

They're not going to do that because of Picard and Discovery. They're set after and have acknowledged the supernova.

They have a science Advisor, Dr. Erin Macdonald, but as was mentioned above, she's an advisor, the writers don't have to the listen to them. It was the same during the runs of Gene and Berman.

Oh well I guess that they will just write whatever they want to then, but who cares as long as we all still enjoy it.

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Also, they just released a video of the science advisor, Erin, talking about warp drive. They should do a mini series of accompanying episodes like this where Erin explains a bit of ‘space science’ behind the episodes to a younger audience, making it all educational too. Educational ‘After Treks’.

https://twitter.com/startrekonpplus/status/1605624147391918085?s=46&t=29yKspKTy1oNENh8W1D3hQ

TrekBBS will not let us embed Twitter posts in the same way that we can embed YouTube, it is something to do with tech debt and too much cruft.

 

[Tuskin38]

Or whoever runs the software side of the forum just hasn't installed a plugin that allows it. There probably is one.

Apparently newer versions of the forum software have it by default.

 

[Timofnine]

Or whoever runs the software side of the forum just hasn't installed a plugin that allows it. There probably is one.

Apparently newer versions of the forum software have it by default.

It is hard to upgrade to a newer version of the forum software because of tech debt and cruft. There is a lot of legacy code and implementations so it all needs to be carefully massaged in.

 

[Deks]

Some feel that Starfleet would not want to change anything about Solum because those events would have to happen or some temporal guideline supposedly would be broken or because it would be a fixed time loop, but I'm glad VA Janeway, at least, doesn't seem to agree with such a fatalistic POV. Of course Starfleet should try to learn what happened on Solum and, if possibly, take steps to avoid a repeat performance in this specific timeline.

This all managed to come to pass because the Protostar accidentally passed through a temporal anomaly in the first place.
Obviously, if the Protostar never encountered the anomaly, it would not have gone to the alternate future Solum where the civil war occurred and 'the order' wouldn't be able to set their 'trojan horse' plan in motion (they'd have to find, ambush and confiscate a lone SF ship elsewhere in their own timeline, and we have 0 clue if their ships would be able to do so in the mid 25th centur).

So, when it comes to temporal manipulation, one could say that because this was an accident, and Chakotay is still trapped, SF would be obligated to try and save him... either by finding the anomaly and targeting the specific temporal coordinates so they exit at the time a bit after Chakotay launched the Protostar and 'the Order' launched their ships in pursuit, or they would have to wait until the early/mid 25th century to go to Solum and rescue Chakotay.

Who knows, maybe the initial First Contact with Solum was an early attempt to try and locate where Solum was (to try and rescue the Protostar crew when the time came to do so), and when they realized they made contact with the Vau'N'A'Kat, it was too late to change things, so they had to follow FC protocol.

Basically, a predestination paradox issue.
The Protostar travels accidentally to ruined future Solum, but the FC with Solum was made because SF was looking for it in the first place so they can be ready and rescue the Protostar crew (I don't think it was established WHERE Solum is, just that its somewhere deep in the DQ).