NEMESIS STILL LOOKS GOOD!
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Nemesis looks cheap to me. Obvious set extension paintings all over the place because they couldn't afford to extend a corridor or use bluescreen. The Visual effects with the starships are excellent and hold up well (mostly) but again... the sets are poor and show up the low budget imho.
Now a scifi movie that appears like it could have been shot yesterday and ages well is Empire Strikes Back. It looks great and the set designs etc are still excellent and could have been conjured up today but it was 1978/79! Contrast to TMP and TWOK which have dated very badly in comparison.
I am Trek over Wars any time but I have to concede that one :P
Now a scifi movie that appears like it could have been shot yesterday and ages well is Empire Strikes Back. It looks great and the set designs etc are still excellent and could have been conjured up today but it was 1978/79! Contrast to TMP and TWOK which have dated very badly in comparison.
I am Trek over Wars any time but I have to concede that one :P
Yes, it's a positively ancient film. It still amazes me what they were able to do in the early days of color film.
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The irony is that it had a bigger budget than First Contact... as a direct result of FC having been successful... but it feels ten times cheaper.
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Again, Insurrection is the one that had the bigger budget. It's all that damn location filming, it costs a lot of money to go out on location so they had less to throw around at everything else.
I think the effects look really cheap, even for 2002 standards.
We had already had two of the star wars prequels and LOTR at that point.
When the schimitar is extending that claw, its really bad cgi.
the raindrop thuds of torpedoes hitting the enterprise?
Insurrection's effects look better and its four years older.
We had already had two of the star wars prequels and LOTR at that point.
When the schimitar is extending that claw, its really bad cgi.
the raindrop thuds of torpedoes hitting the enterprise?
Insurrection's effects look better and its four years older.
I agree with regards to the set extensions on the Scimitar. When Picard is in the corridors they absolutely look horrible.
Also, it looks like that instead of doing mattes for displays they used actual LCDs in parts and they pale in comparison to how they looked on the TV show to say nothing about the previous movies.
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Of course Nemesis looks good. The effects are only 12 years old. I mean, there are tons of effects heavy movies around the 2000-2003 period that look just as good today: The Time Machine, The Matrix series, Gladiator, Star Wars: Attack of the Clones, The Lord of the Rings series, Harry Potter, Pirates of the Caribbean, and so many more.
Now if this were 2024, that would be something.
Now if this were 2024, that would be something.
This is your third thread on how Nemesis is super awesome. Just let people have their own opinions on what movies they do and don't like. You'll find your time here a lot more enjoyable.
Not my favorite Trek movie by any means, but I don't understand the hate this one gets either... Sure, it has its flaws (mainly its one-dimensional villain), but I think Data got a pretty good send-off. I'm also a Riker fan and a Riker/Troi shipper, so I'm happy about the wedding too.
Me too, I like the wedding scene, I find Picard's toast quite emotional, the scene doesn't go on for too long either, no problems with it at all.
As for the look of the film, it's the newest one and it shows frankly, I think the effects and sets are still pretty decent looking, about par for the time it was made.
You can see 'cheap' bits in all 4 TNG films - the mountain top ending of GEN, quite a lot in FC (for me the one that's dated the worst) the Baku village in INS, and the buggy scene in NEM
As for the look of the film, it's the newest one and it shows frankly, I think the effects and sets are still pretty decent looking, about par for the time it was made.
You can see 'cheap' bits in all 4 TNG films - the mountain top ending of GEN, quite a lot in FC (for me the one that's dated the worst) the Baku village in INS, and the buggy scene in NEM
Wow, it never ceaess to amaze me how we all view things so differently!
GEN's mountain top sequences are terrific, some of least "cheap" looking in the movie IMHO. The Ba'ku village is an outstanding set, probably the best and most elaborate in TNG's movie run. Regardless of your opinion of the scene itself, NEM's buggy dual is well done and certainly doesn't look cheap.
The Scimitar observation lounge set looks horribly thrown together however, and genuinely deserves to be described as cheap.
Whatever. Nemesis was the crap-covered cherry on the steaming pile that was so much of the Berman era of ST.
It wasn't the locations I was criticizing, the Veridian 3 location and the Baku planet locations were stunning, my problem with them was they felt very small in scope and not in keeping for the kind of films they were IMO
Totally disagree about First Contact - I watched it for the first time in a few years the other day and I think it's dated by far the worst of the TNG films, some of the sets look seriously naff, the effects on the ships are reasonable at best, earth from orbit looked dreadful, like a cheap painting. Generations on the other hand I totally agree with you - I watched it a couple of days before and that looked by far the newer film to me. The cinematography was the best in the series until the JJ films IMO
Nemesis on the other hand still looks great by modern standards with the odd exception
Nemesis always looked like the cheapest of all the films to me.
Take away the scene on the planet and you have the entire film shot on a soundstage. And the planet itself was extremely cheaply done. "How do we make it alien?" - "Just overexpose and slap an orange filter on it."
Heck, during the wedding you can clearly see that the background mountain range is a wallpaper.
And that in a science fiction film in the year 2002.
Insurrection at least had that beautiful Briar Patch and a lot of on location shooting.
Take away the scene on the planet and you have the entire film shot on a soundstage. And the planet itself was extremely cheaply done. "How do we make it alien?" - "Just overexpose and slap an orange filter on it."
Heck, during the wedding you can clearly see that the background mountain range is a wallpaper.
And that in a science fiction film in the year 2002.
Insurrection at least had that beautiful Briar Patch and a lot of on location shooting.
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Yeah, I think the cinematography for Insurrection is simply gorgeous. I didn't notice the matte background wallpaper in Nemesis, though. I'll have to watch it on Netflix in HD to see for myself.
