NEMESIS STILL LOOKS GOOD!

[USS Mariner]

R.I.P. Digital Domain.

 

[Lance]

With the exception of TMP (and Abrams' Trek) the Trek films have always felt pretty "second-tier", like it never got over its low-budget TV roots.

Abramstrek still does. Compared to the Star Wars prequels, the superhero movies, Avatar, Lord of the Rings, etc... those films are extremely small scale and low budget.

The same difference between First Contact and... Independence Day, for example.

Fair point, but the Abrams-Trek movies clearly have a bigger budget now than what the TNG movies had comparable to other movies of their era.

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

With the exception of TMP (and Abrams' Trek) the Trek films have always felt pretty "second-tier," like it never got over its low-budget TV roots.

Abramstrek still does. Compared to the Star Wars prequels, the superhero movies, Avatar, Lord of the Rings, etc... those films are extremely small scale and low budget.

The same difference between First Contact and... Independence Day, for example.

I just couldn't disagree with this statement more.

The NuTrek movies have a very glossy, high budget, LARGE scale appearance, feel and veneer - particularly STID. That's because they are high budget and large scale!

STID looks waaaaay better than the SW prequels IMHO - particularly the awful and "cartoony" AOTC. Avatar comes over like that too.

Can't comment on the LOTR as I'm not a fan of that sort of thing, and I'm not very familiar with the movies. As far as the current clutch of superhero movies goes - NuTrek is minimally on a par with them.

 

[Smellmet]

^This

 

[BillJ]

I just couldn't disagree with this statement more.

The NuTrek movies have a very glossy, high budget, LARGE scale appearance, feel and veneer - particularly STID. That's because they are high budget and large scale!

Agreed. The only other Trek movie that felt like a big-budget, cinematic affair (outside the Abramsverse films) was The Motion Picture. The rest were made by TV people and felt like very low-budget affairs. Nemesis gets points for trying but simply didn't have the budget to back it up.

 

[SeerSGB]

I keep thinking how much of a waste it was to make Shinzon a Picard Clone. It would have worked so much better to have Shinzon be Picard's Romulan counterpart: a respected, intelligent, well spoken, well educated, rational, Commander and diplomat. A rarity in the Imperial Navy: A man of peace, who will fight for the Romulan people, but prefers to avoid it if he can.

But the difference between the two being that Shinzon came out of the war with a new POV: The government leaders of the Alpha and Beta quadrants are war criminals as much as the Founders are, and his mission is to bring them to justice so the quadrants can hae a true, lasting, peace.

 

[BillJ]

I keep thinking how much of a waste it was to make Shinzon a Picard Clone. It would have worked so much better to have Shinzon be Picard's Romulan counterpart: a respected, intelligent, well spoken, well educated, rational, Commander and diplomat. A rarity in the Imperial Navy: A man of peace, who will fight for the Romulan people, but prefers to avoid it if he can.

But the difference between the two being that Shinzon came out of the war with a new POV: The government leaders of the Alpha and Beta quadrants are war criminals as much as the Founders are, and his mission is to bring them to justice so the quadrants can hae a true, lasting, peace.

But then you run into "Why are we rooting for Picard instead of this guy?"

 

[SeerSGB]

I keep thinking how much of a waste it was to make Shinzon a Picard Clone. It would have worked so much better to have Shinzon be Picard's Romulan counterpart: a respected, intelligent, well spoken, well educated, rational, Commander and diplomat. A rarity in the Imperial Navy: A man of peace, who will fight for the Romulan people, but prefers to avoid it if he can.

But the difference between the two being that Shinzon came out of the war with a new POV: The government leaders of the Alpha and Beta quadrants are war criminals as much as the Founders are, and his mission is to bring them to justice so the quadrants can hae a true, lasting, peace.

But then you run into "Why are we rooting for Picard instead of this guy?"

Cause Picard isn't running around killing World Leaders.

 

[BillJ]

Cause Picard isn't running around killing World Leaders.

I'm not sure your audience would feel the same way. Part of entertainment is that we can entertain things that we'd never entertain in real life. So if this guy has a beef and has some evidence to legitimately back it up. You'll have Picard defending figures who won't deserve defending in the eyes of your audience.

 

[JarodRussell]

Cause Picard isn't running around killing World Leaders.

I'm not sure your audience would feel the same way. Part of entertainment is that we can entertain things that we'd never entertain in real life. So if this guy has a beef and has some evidence to legitimately back it up. You'll have Picard defending figures who won't deserve defending in the eyes of your audience.

If his audience doesn't, maybe yours does.

 

[RAMA]

Nemesis is the only Trek film that I ever waited to go into the $5 bin before buying.

Nemesis is the first Star Trek movie I bought right away on DVD instead of VHS.

 

[Amaris]

I worked at Walmart when Nemesis came out on DVD, and I bought it straight away. I even had a coworker hold one for me, just in case. Turns out I had nothing to worry about, but still.

 

[GalaxyX]

Nemesis is the only Trek film that I ever waited to go into the $5 bin before buying.

I only have it because I was force fed the TNG movies on DVD to own the TOS movies (No separate 6 pack TOS. If you wanted TOS you had to get the 10 pack set)

Ironically I really only wanted the TMPC but didn't mind having the others.

I saw Nemesis a couple of times, groaned, and then burnt the DVD with advanced laser technology