Negative one million degrees?

[Cicero]

Yes, negative temperatures are possible on the Kelvin scale, but only under certain conditions. Negative temperatures are not colder than absolute zero; they are, from a certain point of view, hotter than any possible positive temperature (when objects with negative and positive absolute temperatures come into contact, heat will always flow from the negative to the positive, no matter how hot the positive).

 

[RJDiogenes]

At less than Absolute Zero, molecules achieve Negative Brownian Motion and fall through the cracks of the Planck Constant into an Alternate Universe. Seriously. I saw it happen to my sweater last year when my furnace died.

 

[Trekker4747]

Is it possible for there to be a temperture below absolute zero? Can you have negative one million degrees?

Cold is the absence of heat. That is- when it's 30 degrees outside there's just enough heat in the air to make it 30 degrees.

Absolute Zero is the absence of ALL heat. There's not a drop of it left.

Hence "absolute."

 

[Gepard]

At less than Absolute Zero, molecules achieve Negative Brownian Motion and fall through the cracks of the Planck Constant into an Alternate Universe. Seriously. I saw it happen to my sweater last year when my furnace died.

So that's where my socks go!

You got an explanation for the missing pens?

 

[Squiggy]

Ohhh..."pens". I thought you said, well...it's not important.

 

[Hermiod]

Of course you could have negative one million degrees. It'd just be in a different scale from Celcius or Kelvin.

You belong in the Civil Service.

It's called science. After all, why do you think we have Fahrenheit? It wasn't because some Germans were bored.

No, but that does explain the war.

 

[broberfett]

In Xmen 2 there is the standoff between Ice man and The fire guy. So lets say the fire guy is shooting a flame that is 5000 degrees F. Ice man counters with his cold ice shit that is, for argument sake, absolute zero. So you have Ice man with his minus 450 something(It was posted somewhere above) vs 5000 degrees. So the fire guy would win every time?

 

[Hermiod]

^Well no. I can't say for certain what would happen in real life, but in X-Men 3...

Spoiler: X-Men 3

When they do fight, Pyro is overpowering Bobby (Iceman) but Iceman regains control after we see him in his full on Ice form for the first time in the series. Bobby then just freezes Pyro's hands and the devices he uses to create fire attached to them.

Pyro can't generate fire, he can only manipulate existing fire. He needs to artificially create a fire before he can do anything.

 

[Skywalker]

Nerds!

 

[Hermiod]

Nerds!

NERDS!!!!! NERDS NERDS NERDS NERDS NERDS!!!!

 

[Gepard]

On a Star Trek board? Whoda thunk.

 

[RJDiogenes]

At less than Absolute Zero, molecules achieve Negative Brownian Motion and fall through the cracks of the Planck Constant into an Alternate Universe. Seriously. I saw it happen to my sweater last year when my furnace died.

So that's where my socks go!

You got an explanation for the missing pens?

Holdfast.

 

[RJDiogenes]

^Well no. I can't say for certain what would happen in real life, but in X-Men 3...

Spoiler: X-Men 3

When they do fight, Pyro is overpowering Bobby (Iceman) but Iceman regains control after we see him in his full on Ice form for the first time in the series. Bobby then just freezes Pyro's hands and the devices he uses to create fire attached to them.

Pyro can't generate fire, he can only manipulate existing fire. He needs to artificially create a fire before he can do anything.

It would be interesting to see Bobby go up against Johnny Storm. I remember him speculating about it in a back-up feature back in the 60s, but I don't think it's ever happened. Of course, the nature of Bobby's powers has changed over the years, too; I've heard that they're treating him as some kind of "living ice" now.

 

[Hermiod]

^The nature of Bobby's powers hasn't changed, just his ability to control them which has improved with practice.

Originally, his icy appearance was just caused by ice forming on him when he used his powers. He then developed the ability to create a thick layer of ice around himself to act as armour. He developed that further by converting his entire body to ice and back again at will.

The organic ice part is correct. Even if completely shattered while in his ice form he is able to reconstitute himself given enough water. He can also add water temporarily to increase his own mass.

Bobby does not actually "create" cold, he removes thermal energy. It has been stated that Bobby can be considered an Omega-level mutant because he could, in theory, affect the entire planet's environment should he so choose.

Since this is the case, he would be able to fight Johnny since he could, again in theory, negate the heat generated by his powers. At worst, he could make it just a hand to hand fight which he would most likely win given that he has had the same expert combat training all of the X-Men have received.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Well, it's a matter of interpretation, I suppose; converting living tissue back and forth to ice (while maintaining the "living" aspect) seems to me a quantum change from just creating ice; but I suppose there's nothing in his history to say this wasn't a latent aspect of his ability.

 

[Hermiod]

^He never "created" ice. You can't create cold or the effects of cold, you can only remove heat.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Well, he "created" it out of available moisture around him. I'm pretty sure that was the explanation they gave. In fact, in that same back-up feature, I think he speculated about how he'd fare in space, because he'd have no moisture available.

 

[Hermiod]

^The explanation for his powers now - and remember this kind of thing gets retconned all the time - is that he is able to eliminate thermal energy. This, apparently, involves the use of water vapour in the atmosphere. This would be limited by the lack of availability of such water in space, yes.

However, this would prove to be no advantage to Johnny in our theoretical fight since his powers rely on oxygen. (A good example, not from the comics, was his fight with the Silver Surfer in the recent movie where the Surfer grabs him by the throat and pulls him in to space - his flame is extinguished and he loses conciousness)

Water does form an important part of his powers - he was able to enter a large river and reappear a long distance away at the other end of that river within seconds, for instance.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Retcon, yes; that's the word I was looking for.

Yeah, neither one of them would do very well in space, powers-wise.

Personally, I think they've gone too far afield with powers-- I don't think that river example really fits him-- but I have a very specific idea in my own mind what mutant powers should be like.

 

[Hermiod]

I think that as long as they do it as a natural progression - i.e. people getting better with practice, there's no problem.

It's when they pull entirely new powers out of their... erm rears... that it gets annoying. I have much less trouble with Bobby being able to travel through rivers quickly than I do Spider-Man suddenly having stingers coming out of his arms or the ability to communicate with spiders.