MLB Offseason - The Hotstove League

[Tom Servo]

Well Scout said it best. I really don't think there is a way to use logic or reason with this guy. Eh whatever.

And best pitching and best hitting team in the league? Puh-lease. The lineup for the Yankees was not that powerful last year, but it will be better this year to Teixiera. However, the Red Sox lineup, if healthy, IF HEALTHY is just as good. The starting staffs are comparable, but if you think that the Yankees have a better bullpen, you are dead wrong. And the Red Sox have much more pitching depth. Hell Im not even talking about Tampa Bay, and they are gonna be good this year as well.

But yeah, the best team in the league all right...

 

[Scout101]

One thing that can't be argued is that the AL East is deadly right now. Sox, Yanks, and Rays are likely to be 3 of the best teams in the league, when all the dust settles. Sucks for all 3 of them to be in the same division. In one of the divisions where going 81-81 gets you a playoff berth, they'd be set to face each other for the next decade...

 

[btflash]

let me ask you a question.... do you have a mental disability that doesnt allow you to process all the info i have posted here?

Seriously, what's your problem that you can't post here without flaming others? Attacking others because they attack your POST (and not you) is poor form, at best. Debate the issues, cut the bullshit stuff outside of TNZ.

what issue is there to debate? again for the umpteenth time.... i simply posted what has been reported. christ, your dense!

here , let me tell you again. i have simply done nothing more than post a story that had been talked about on the radio here in new york! is that easy enough for you to understand?

And when asked to provide ANY sort of backup for that story, you've chosen to attack anyone that questions you.

actually you guys started by attacking me. again for the last time i have provided you with the radio stations and the specific shows it was mentioned on. i can do no better than that.




It was talked about in a couple different threads here, and reported on ESPN, pretty sure you didn't "out" A-Rod. Just from a "Truth in Posting" standpoint, TomServo made the first A-Rod/Steroids post in this thread, and RAMA started the seperate thread. You didn't break the news



your right! i stand corrected on that point!

Speaking of reading comprehension, scroll back through the thread. BOTH Tom and I have said that if it's proven that Ortiz took 'roids, we'd take him to task for it



yeah right!! i wont hold my breath!

wow. your team actually beat us in 2004! i'm impressed! one time in 90 years ! you must be proud!

No one said it was an equalizer, I said that since that game in 2004, the Yankees haven't been the same, the swagger is gone. Before that, the Yankees beat the Sox whenever it mattered. The Sox don't have that cowed look in their eyes in the big game anymore.

As for the "one time in 90 years" line: it was 86 years Also, by my count, 2007 means it happened twice. And I wasn't the one trying to rest on my laurels from events that happened 50-60 years ago

ummmmm, sorry ,your wrong you didnt beat us in 2007 . wtf are you talkin about?i'm resting on laurels from 50 yrs ago???? 1996 ,1998, 1999 and 2000 arent 50 yrs ago. math not your strong suit ,huh?

 

[btflash]

And best pitching and best hitting team in the league? Puh-lease. The lineup for the Yankees was not that powerful last year, but it will be better this year to Teixiera. The starting staffs are comparable, but if you think that the Yankees have a better bullpen, you are dead wrong. .

your nuts! maybe i missed something. did you guys make a trade that got you a better reliever than mariano reviera? please, enlighten me.the starting staffs are comparable. ha,ha yeah , right! lets see what big poppy does without the protection of mannys bat in the lineup. btw , how did he do last year?

 

[Scout101]

noticed you avoided any of the real questions. Not interested in playing if you just want to turn it into a trollfest, anyway.

And the Sox WOULD have beat the Yankees in 2007, had they managed to get out of the first round

As for the "math not being my strong suit" bit, I'm an Engineer and do just fine with numbers, you? A minute ago, though, you were talking about 26 championships, now I only see 4. If you stretch back and include the 70s, that gets you to 8 in the last 50 years. Only 6 within the lifetime of any of your current players. I'll give you, however, that from 1923-1962, the organization was quite impressive, with most of that being in the late 40s and the 50s. As it turns out, I checked my calculator, and THAT'S the "50-60 years ago" Period I was talking about. Good effort, though

your nuts! maybe i missed something. did you guys make a trade that got you a better reliever than mariano reviera? please, enlighten me.

No, but I'd take Papelbon over Rivera at this point in his career. Masterson's pretty good, Okajima does a fine job for us as well. We didn't trade for him, but if his elbow holds up, Saito WAS better than Rivera over the past couple years. The guy we got from the Royals is pretty good, too. The bullpen is an area where you can't bluff your way out, the Sox are just stacked at the moment.

the starting staffs are comparable. ha,ha yeah , right!

Again, feel free to discuss it, but laughing like a dufus and making blanket statements isn't real useful, as you might imagine.

lets see what big poppy does without the protection of mannys bat in the lineup.

He's done just fine the times Manny was hurt (check his numbers in 2007 when Manny was out, for example). Also, I'd argue that 5-6 guys in a lineup that'll all hit 20-25 HRs is probably more valuable than one guy hitting 35 or so, but hey, that's me. Personally, Youk, Bay, Drew, and Lowell (if he bounces back) are probably enough to get Papi a pitch or two to swing at. Then again, I suppose you think Matsui is providing some sort of "protection" for A-Rod?

btw , how did he do last year?

speaking of ignorant strawmen... You mean the year where he missed significant time with knee and wrist injuries, and only played in 100 games? Was batting about .060 into May (with Manny "protecting" him), and still managed to bat .264, 23 HRs, and 89 RBIs by the end of the season, playing hurt? Laugh all you like, but about half of the 2008 Yankee squad would have killed to put up those numbers. They might have even made the playoffs

Either way, you've turned this into a worthless discussion, so i'm done with you. Only appear interested in 'winning at teh interwebs" rather than discussion, so what's the point?

Hot Stove is done, anyway, baseball is being played now...

 

[Tom Servo]

And best pitching and best hitting team in the league? Puh-lease. The lineup for the Yankees was not that powerful last year, but it will be better this year to Teixiera. The starting staffs are comparable, but if you think that the Yankees have a better bullpen, you are dead wrong. .

your nuts! maybe i missed something. did you guys make a trade that got you a better reliever than mariano reviera? please, enlighten me.the starting staffs are comparable. ha,ha yeah , right! lets see what big poppy does without the protection of mannys bat in the lineup. btw , how did he do last year?

I get it now. You are Yankee's fan, but you have no CLUE how the sport of baseball is played. You know the names, but the strategy of the sport, you got no clue. You are a fan of the brand, not the game. You can spout of names all you want, but its obvious you don't know anything.

The Red Sox did just fine last year without Manny. They got to Game 7 of the ALCS without him, without Mike Lowell, and with a barely servicable Josh Beckett...and they still almost won. Also, if you look at the numbers (which is something everyone can see you don't do, judging by your responses), the Sox scored more runs per game without him, then with him. Thats not to say they wont miss him, he might, but the rest of the lineup is strong enough.

And YES the pitching rotations are comparable. A potential rotation of Beckett, Lester, Dice K, Penny, and Smoltz is just as good as the Yankees staff. So you may all you want, but it still doesn't change the fact that you don't know anything about the sport.

Also, the bullpens are NOT comparable. A potential bullpen of Saito, Okajima, Masterson, Ramirez, and Papelbon is much better then anything the Yankees throw out there. Yes Mariano Rivera is a god, but getting to him will be the Yankees problem, their setup men (I don't expect you to know what those are. but they are the pitchers that pitch the eighth inning in a close game), may be a problem.

But please all you want. Im done arguing with someone who is a complete and utter homer, who has no clue how the game is played.

 

[btflash]

noticed you avoided any of the real questions. Not interested in playing if you just want to turn it into a trollfest, anyway.

number 1 in a prior post i told you i simply posted what has been reported in the media here in new york. you then attacked me. i told you not to kill the messenger , but yet you still insist on this back and forth. your the "troll! i will ask one final time" LET IT GO!"

 

[btflash]

the starting staffs are comparable. ha,ha yeah , right!

Again, feel free to discuss it, but laughing like a dufus and making blanket statements isn't real useful,
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ACTUALLY I MUST ADMIT, I WAS TAKING A PAGE FROM TOM SERVOS BOOK THERE.

 

[btflash]

As for the "math not being my strong suit" bit, I'm an Engineer and do just fine with numbers, you? A minute ago, though, you were talking about 26 championships, now I only see 4. If you stretch back and include the 70s, that gets you to 8 in the last 50 years. Only 6 within the lifetime of any of your current players. I'll give you, however, that from 1923-1962, the organization was quite impressive, with most of that being in the late 40s and the 50s. As it turns out, I checked my calculator, and THAT'S the "50-60 years ago" Period I was talking about. Good effort, though

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what you fail to mention is that the yankess still have six more series championships in that 50 year period than your sox have in the last 90! " NICE TRY , THOUGH!"

 

[btflash]

TYPICAL . YOU CAN PERSONALLY ATTACK ME ALL YOU WANT . ITS FUNNY YOU KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT SOMEONE YOU NEVER MET. YOUR IGNORANCE IS SHOWING!

 

[btflash]

noticed you avoided any of the real questions. Not interested in playing if you just want to turn it into a trollfest, anyway.

And the Sox WOULD have beat the Yankees in 2007, had they managed to get out of the first round

hmmm, so now as well as being an engineer your a psychic to? might i remind you the yankees had a winning record against the sox that year! again, nice try.

 

[the 4th hanson bro]

let me ask you a question.... do you have a mental disability that doesnt allow you to process all the info i have posted here?

These types of comments cross the line from sports trash talking to flaming.

Also, multiple responses in a row (5) can be considered spamming. There's a multi-quote button at the bottom of the post, right next to the quote button.

This allows you to make multiple repsonses to multiple people in the same post.

And finally, since real games - or at least what passes for real games in late February - have started, the fire in the hot stove has burned out.

Play ball in the MLB 2009 season thread!