List of ships in each series?

[Albertese]

There's a bit of dialogue in "A Piece of the Action" where Kirk states to Oxmyx that the Enterprise 'won't land,' implying that the Horizon actually did land on the planet and that the Iotians were not aware of transporters, which is borne out in the episode. This also implies that the Horizon did not have transporters, despite Starfleet ships in ENT having them. I got the impression, based solely on the context of APOTA, that the Horizon was a much smaller ship to be able to have landing and takeoff abilities, and definitely not a Daedalus class ship as was depicted in the Star Trek Chronology/Encyclopedia.

I have assumed similarly. And back in the day I experimented a lot with how the Daedalus-class might land, up to and including a separating "ball" section like Trade Federation ships in Star Wars! However, nothing in the dialogue discounts the use of shuttlecraft, so I see no reason to rule out the Daedalus. That said, I have always agreed that Sternbach's Horizon from SFC is excellent!

--Alex

 

[Dukhat]

However, nothing in the dialogue discounts the use of shuttlecraft, so I see no reason to rule out the Daedalus.

Well, here's the thing: Kirk said "The ship won't land," referring to the Enterprise. If the Horizon had originally used a shuttle to land, then Kirk should logically have said "We won't land in a shuttle," because that would be what the Iotians would expect if that's how the Horizon crew got there. Kirk's line indicates (to me, anyway) a direct comparison between the Enterprise and the Horizon; ergo the implication was that the whole ship landed on the surface. Sure, there's wiggle room to interpret his line differently (especially in light of ENT), but the original context seems to indicate what I stated above.

 

[Albertese]

Well, here's the thing: Kirk said "The ship won't land," referring to the Enterprise. If the Horizon had originally used a shuttle to land, then Kirk should logically have said "We won't land in a shuttle," because that would be what the Iotians would expect if that's how the Horizon crew got there. Kirk's line indicates (to me, anyway) a direct comparison between the Enterprise and the Horizon; ergo the implication was that the whole ship landed on the surface. Sure, there's wiggle room to interpret his line differently (especially in light of ENT), but the original context seems to indicate what I stated above.

I see your point, in fact it was very much my own interpretation back in the 90s. And I love the idea of the Daedalus sphere landing on its own. It would mirror Rodennberry's early idea of the Enterprise saucer routinely landing. Invokes classic sci-fi like Star Vikings.

--Alex

 

[Dukhat]

I see your point, in fact it was very much my own interpretation back in the 90s. And I love the idea of the Daedalus sphere landing on its own. It would mirror Rodennberry's early idea of the Enterprise saucer routinely landing. Invokes classic sci-fi like Star Vikings.

--Alex

Yeah, those two triangles underneath the Enterprise’s saucer (equidistant to the saucer neck) seems to indicate that there are landing legs underneath. So it’s possible that part of the Horizon was capable of landing.

 

[drt]

I could see the forward section of Sternbach's Horizon landing. The Iotian's probably wouldn't realize that 80% of the ship remained in orbit.