Is Season Two Episode Two one of the best episodes of any Star Trek Series?

[aquova]

The first half of Measure of a Man does include some of the usual early TNG failings, but I do agree that once the court case begins it turns into, in my opinion, the best TNG episode up until that point and one of the best overall.

 

[Mudd]

Ad Astra is a somewhat nuanced story about human rights issues and struggles that many people have and are dealing with in the real world. It's done well, with empathy, and the performances are outstanding.

There aren't many of Trek's vaunted "social commentary on our own world" stories that are actually worth a spit. This one is.

 

[Tuskin38]

If this was a reboot, they probably would have ended with at least some revision to the law.

But they can’t contradict DS9

 

[TheAdmiralty]

If this was a reboot, they probably would have ended with at least some revision to the law.

But they can’t contradict DS9

If it wasn't a reboot they should have had it look like TOS and not so modern.

Not saying they actually should have done that, I just wish Paramount would drop the "prime universe" conceit and admit that they've rebooted the franchise which would give them more freedom and eliminate a lot of fan gripes anyway.

 

[Mudd]

If it wasn't a reboot they should have had it look like TOS and not so modern.

Not saying they actually should have done that, I just wish Paramount would drop the "prime universe" conceit and admit that they've rebooted the franchise which would give them more freedom and eliminate a lot of fan gripes anyway.

They haven't rebooted anything. They've just changed some things. That's allowed.

 

[Tuskin38]

, I just wish Paramount would drop the "prime universe" conceit and admit that they've rebooted the franchise

But then they would be lying to us if they did that, because it's not a reboot.

If it wasn't a reboot they should have had it look like TOS and not so modern.

It is a reboot, but only visually. It's still the same universe as TOS.

You couldn't make it look 1:1 to TOS. It would look silly. It looked silly in TNG, it looked silly in ENT.
It's not the 1960s anymore.

 

[fireproof78]

If it wasn't a reboot they should have had it look like TOS and not so modern.

Not saying they actually should have done that, I just wish Paramount would drop the "prime universe" conceit and admit that they've rebooted the franchise which would give them more freedom and eliminate a lot of fan gripes anyway.

And invite whole new gripes. With Halo, even with them saying it's a different universe people still gripe that it's wrong, that people can't love this Halo like the original Halo, disrespectful to the games.

Fans will gripe no matter what.

 

[HotRod]

If it wasn't a reboot they should have had it look like TOS and not so modern.

Not saying they actually should have done that, I just wish Paramount would drop the "prime universe" conceit and admit that they've rebooted the franchise which would give them more freedom and eliminate a lot of fan gripes anyway.

 

[Mudd]

If you give in to the griping, you might as well be making fan films.

 

[TheAdmiralty]

And invite whole new gripes. With Halo, even with them saying it's a different universe people still gripe that it's wrong, that people can't love this Halo like the original Halo, disrespectful to the games.

Fans will gripe no matter what.

Well I wouldn't complain just because it was different if they were explicitly making a reboot. That's the point of rebooting something. Which is a good idea at this point anyway with how much Trek continuity there is, it's like a straightjacket. In SNW discussions there's so much "we know x isn't going to happen because this character needs to do y later". Would be nice to be free of that and really not know what's going to happen.

 

[TheAdmiralty]

Sorry, I've been gone a while, I guess this has been oft discussed.

 

[fireproof78]

Well I wouldn't complain just because it was different if they were explicitly making a reboot. That's the point of rebooting something. Which is a good idea at this point anyway with how much Trek continuity there is, it's like a straightjacket. In SNW discussions there's so much "we know x isn't going to happen because this character needs to do y later". Would be nice to be free of that and really not know what's going to happen.

SNW seems to handle it fine.

 

[Tuskin38]

Would be nice to be free of that and really not know what's going to happen.

I agree.

 

[Nerys Myk]

In SNW discussions there's so much "we know x isn't going to happen because this character needs to do y later"

Really? If it's been raise here, it hasn't been too often. When I'm in the "moment" I don't care about the fates of the TOS characters.

 

[Jayson1]

One thing I will say about "The Measure of a Man" is it is more relevant today than it was when it was made. What with the coming AI impact on our society our society likely will be debating whether or not AI intelligence makes someone a real person or not in the not to distant future.

 

[Nerys Myk]

One thing I will say about "The Measure of a Man" is it is more relevant today than it was when it was made. What with the coming AI impact on our society our society likely will be debating whether or not AI intelligence makes someone a real person or not in the not to distant future.

Way down in Deep 13?

 

[HotRod]

Or Time and Space?

 

[Quantum21]

I did a little jig after this episode. That's how good it is.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Interesting. Which SNW episodes do you consider better?

"Under the Cloak of War" is by far my favourite SNW episode, followed by the Lower Decks crossover.

 

[Jayson1]

The musical is my favorite episode. Then the season 2 final and the season 1 final and the time travel episode with Kirk and La'an and Spock become human and the Lower Decks one and the trial one for Number One.