Wasn't it the Cardassians who described Kira as a terrorist, or did she, herself, too (in an unironic sense)? Can't quite remember.
How would DS9 be different, if it were made today instead of in the 90's ?
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Both. Dukat and other Cardassians multiple times over the course of the show, and Kira herself many times. ("DEFIANT", for example, when she is talking to Tom on the bridge.)
It would be dark. I mean physically. You wouldn't be able to see anything.
Not Terok Nor black; Terok And black.
Not quite Armus. In the 24th century, they just somehow lost the technology for lightbulbs, so they have to rely on the soft glow of the computer screens for illumination.
DS9 saved the Ferengi imo.
They got interesting, funny and more likeable.
And we could feel connected, especially to Quark thanks to the excellent acting of Armin Shimerman.
In TNG they've just been ridiculous.
^Imho, The Last Outpost does a fairly good job of slowly building up the suspense who those mysterious Ferengi might be. The first part of the ep is quite watchable.
Until they get down to the planet surface, then it all falls flat on its face.
Until they get down to the planet surface, then it all falls flat on its face.
Terek Noir!
Please be a detective based show!
Hm. I may be easily impressed, but...the swerve of having Commander William T. Riker of the starship Enterprise save the lives of his shipmates through the skillful application of seminal Oriental philosophy was appreciated.
I also liked that.
But the Ferengi on the planet attacking like they did... I just could not take them seriously after that.
Couple that with THE most un-Worf thing Worf has ever said, and it can be painful to watch at times.
(Though Worf's line "Pygmy cretins" does make him unintentionally funny.)
One thing would be consistent: if DS9 were made today, J. Michael Straczynku would claim the producers plagiarized his 8th grade fanfic.
Out of curiosity I reread the transcript for this episode, though the acting is well entrenched in my mind. It is a decent reflection of the Ferengi attitudes and how they view the Federation, but their presentation is just ridiculous. Treating them as a serious threat was nearly impossible.
Agreed.
Armin Shimerman basically made it his mission to portray the Ferengi better than how he did in "The Last Outpost".
(I have often wondered if Quark would have been much different if Armin wasn't cast as one of the original Ferengi and he didn't have that sort of thing in the back of his mind while portraying Quark. He was definitely more menacing as Bractor in "Peak Performance", but the Ferengi were already thought of as a joke by then, so the damage was done.)
It would actually be worse. DS9 and B5 were made during the same time. Everything could be said and proven (or at least argued) to be a coincidence. If DS9 were created today, it would be different. In 2024, B5 has existed for over 30 years. It would make any claims JMS would have a lot stronger. Deep Space Nine would be perceived to be to Bablyon 5 what The Orville is to Star Trek: The Next Generation. The same series but with the names changed and the numbers filed off.
I've only seen the pilot of B5 (that'll change very soon because of where I am in my DS9/B5 Combo Watch), and I can already tell DS9 isn't a rip-off of B5, but I'm talking about the perception and any legal case JMS might've had if this scenario happened.
It's why I say in an earlier post that it would odd to lose the complexity of Kira's character, since that's what Star Trek allows for - exploration of complex characters and ideas. In today's world, she'd be Princess Leia or Luke Skywalker, not Cassian Andor, Vel Sartha or Cinta Kaz.
That basically implies that Star Trek would not want to push boundaries to explore complex topics. When other sci-fi franchises would have no problem doing so.
Nothing I wrote is intended to be offensive. Since for the audience, which does include both straight peoples and queer people, there’s be no need for aliens to be used as allegories for sexual orientation and gender identity anymore. The aliens would simply be queer if their character is written as such. It would be a level playing field.
You can absolutely argue that Antifa is not a highly organized movement, that's it's very decentralised and various individuals and groups taking part.
But I do not think it makes my post any less legitimate. Since it would be about a group opposing fascist regimes on the basis that they are fascists.
Or maybe, in a post-J6 world, that particular idea would need to be deconstructed to also explore regimes that are sliding towards authoritarianism and autocracy.
