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Sisko's father ran a restaurant, and the Picard family owns a vineyard.
There may not be cash in the Federation, at least not on Earth and not in Starfleet - but it's ludicrous to say there's no economy. Border worlds use cash, and so do non-Federation worlds and bases. Quark's runs on cash for the most part.
The economy on Voyager was replicator rations and holodeck time. They had no access to their Federation credits.
Sisko's did not use replicatiors.
Neither did the Picards.
That's hard work that requires skill and a massive expenditure of elbow grease and time. Looking after the Chateau and the restaurant borders on Performance art, or it is performance art.
I view both locations as the heritage museums, and the "owners" are municipally assigned caretakers, who preserve the history of the establishments.
They are anthropologists assigned there by the United Earth.
Or clones.
Rene and Jean-Luc as teenagers were identical. (Same actor.)
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(Sorry.)
A ration is an even distribution of resources, even if members of Janeway's Crew did more work or had a higher rank, than other members of Janeways crew.
If the size of the ration was dependent on work, quality of work, time, and rank, then it would be wages and not a ration.
Do you think Neelix got the same sized Replicator ration as Tuvok?
If they were paid to work on a star ship in the alpha Quadrant, they would have have been paid credits by Janeway to continue working for Janeway in the Delta Quadrant. If the Maquis were paid half as much as the Federation Officers there would have been a bloody revolution, and Janeway would have been hung with her own tongue.
Did Tuvix get Neelix's rations + Tuvok's rations? Hell, did he keep both State Rooms? Tuvix left pubes on the soap in Neelix's shower and Tuvok's shower. What an asshole. Although Kes probably kept a used bar of soap in Neelix's bathroom. She probably kept a change of clothes there too. Depressed Tuvix wore Kes' onesie to bed every night, because both halves of him missed the smell of her.
When Tom was demoted...
Kirk said they had no money.
Have you noticed in real life that infected cash was unwanted during the age of covid, so we all just used our CREDIT cards, often forgetting how much money was in our bank accounts or not bothering about how much anything costs, since there's thousands in our bank and we are only spending less than 10s of dollars per transaction?
They don't use soap with sonic showers.
(Neelix bathes in a tub.)
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I think that may have been Garrett trying to write himself onto "Lower Decks", since he admits to having a thing for comedy... it would totally fit, too.@Oddish, that would be hilarious! They should totally do that
I visited the Kes website a few weeks back and I had never realised how rabid some of her fans are!!! At least they gave me a new viewing order for the series or should I say first three seasons as they didn't like the ones that she wasn't in plus they abhorred Fury and what the story did to her character! I wonder if her being let go contributed to her recent mental health problems? I mean in series her character couldn't have survived as her race only live for around nine years unless she could have got a few more seasons from a very favoured writer or two? 
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We saw her second birthday in the episode Twisted.
Exactly. In "ELOGIUM", which was produced at the tail end of season 1 and directly before "TWISTED", Kes said that the elogium was too early because it usually happens at age 3 or 4, and 'I'm not even two yet.' We see her second year birthday party in "TWISTED" the very next episode, had they gone in production order. Since VGR season 1 took place in 2371, and Voyager was stranded at around April or so in 2371, Kes born at the tail end of 2369.
Production Numbering is not the same airing numbers.
Twisted s02e06 had a production number of 40840-119
Non Sequitor s02e05 had a production number of 40840-122
Both were supposed to be season one episodes, and Twisted was supposed to air three episodes before Non Sequitor, but shit happened.
No. Only 20 episodes were produced for season 1... the 4 holdovers were "PROJECTIONS", "ELOGIUM", "TWISTED", and "THE 37's". "NON SEQUITUR" was the second produced episode for season 2, directly after "INITIATIONS".
(In the case of the season 1 holdovers, those four episodes were easy to spot... look at the font of the episode title, guest star, and producer credits after the theme ends. It's the same as the title sequence. From season 2 onward, the font inside the episode is different from the title sequence.)
(For the season 2 holdovers that went to season 3... "SACRED GROUND", "FALSE PROFITS", "FLASHBACK", and "BASICS, PART II", and it was produced in that order... you can tell by the three 'Executive Producers' (Berman, Piller, Taylor) listed at the end before the end credits. Season 3 had Berman and Taylor, with Piller removed and put as 'Creative Consultant' in the beginning credits with the other producers.)
So you think that I'm a "rabid fan"?I visited the Kes website a few weeks back and I had never realised how rabid some of her fans are!!! At least they gave me a new viewing order for the series or should I say first three seasons as they didn't like the ones that she wasn't in plus they abhorred Fury and what the story did to her character! I wonder if her being let go contributed to her recent mental health problems? I mean in series her character couldn't have survived as her race only live for around nine years unless she could have got a few more seasons from a very favoured writer or two?
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I take it as a compliment!
Not to mention that I'm the proud creator of the masterpiece which that little website is.
Personally I don't think that Jennifer Lien was sacked because of mental health, drugs or what eer rumors or after-constructions there are. They dumped her because they wanted Seven in and were to greedy and stupid to have ten main characters. harry Kim was the one chosen to be axed but when a silly inside poll in a glossy magazine showed him to be among "the 50 most handsome people", they changed their minds and dumped kes instead.
They could easily have given her a human lifespan. There were hints for such a solution in episodes like Cold Fire, Before And After and Scorpion. I mean, if they can bring back Spock from the dead, have a Harry Kim duplicate and a double O'Brien, then there's no problem with coming up with a solution for the lifespan problem.
Having a character with such a short lifespan was actually silly and obstructive for the character. Creatures with such short lifespans could never develope to more than primates.
The character had a lot of premise and could have been even better with better writers than Voyager had.
I've often assumed that the Ocampa planet has a 10 year orbit around the sun and that could explain the whole lifespan mystery.
Another thing which can explain the "water problem" for the kazon.-Ogla on the Ocampa planet could be that thy were under siege from other Kazon sects and therefore had problems with their water supply. Otherwise they just had to go out in space and find som icy asteroid to get their water.
Exactly, Lynx. I'm honoured to have met the creator of such a site!
I'm glad there are people who will stick up for the person unfairly picked on or sacked!
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I'm glad there are people who will stick up for the person unfairly picked on or sacked!
JB
So you think that I'm a "rabid fan"?
I take it as a compliment!
I would have called you... dedicated in your beliefs.
Not to mention that I'm the proud creator of the masterpiece which that little website is.
And a lovely site it is. Reminds me of my old fansite, which I let collapse back when Dubya was president, because the webspace provider wouldn't let me edit my own site anymore.
Given that DS9 had twice that many, it wouldn't have been hard.
Chakotay would have been a better choice than either. Robert Beltran wanted out, his character was stagnating almost as bad as Harry's was, and it would have given us a nice Game if Thrones-ish "nobody is safe" vibe.
They wanted something distinctive about the character, and it was, but it led to some... awkward bits. Most notably romantic, given that Kes would die when she was barely half the age of consent.
The writers were Ok. It was the showrunners that were incompetent. Just look at Harry Kim's collar if you have any doubt. If your powers that be don't understand that an ensign is supposed to make lieutenant, you've got a problem!
Really... no oxygen-breathing race capable of space travel should ever have water problems, given that hydrogen is easy to find, and any planet they can live on will have ample O2.
The Kazon were definitely stupid and subpar villains, agreed.
But in the case of the Ocampa homeworld (and I can't believe I am defending the Kazon), it was a complete desert. Rain couldn't even occur. They would need a supply line of a lot of water for their group on the planet to keep going. Yes, you can blast comets and melt ice, and will make water, but it isn't drinkable. It's why we can't drink ocean water when you are out at sea... it jeeds to be desalinated. Maybe the Kazon just don't have the resources to make drinkable water at such a scale... they overthrew the Trabe only a few decades prior to "CARETAKER". (I think the date given was 2345 when Jal Sankur united the Kazon to overthrow the Trabe.)
Given their gang warfare nature, I'm not surprised the Kazon wouldn't have developed the resources to do things like that in less than 30 years.
But in the case of the Ocampa homeworld (and I can't believe I am defending the Kazon), it was a complete desert. Rain couldn't even occur. They would need a supply line of a lot of water for their group on the planet to keep going. Yes, you can blast comets and melt ice, and will make water, but it isn't drinkable. It's why we can't drink ocean water when you are out at sea... it jeeds to be desalinated. Maybe the Kazon just don't have the resources to make drinkable water at such a scale... they overthrew the Trabe only a few decades prior to "CARETAKER". (I think the date given was 2345 when Jal Sankur united the Kazon to overthrow the Trabe.)
Given their gang warfare nature, I'm not surprised the Kazon wouldn't have developed the resources to do things like that in less than 30 years.
More the showrunners as well as the network wanting something that could spearhead UPN. But, yes, it is frustrating of what could have been.
Indeed. Quite dedicated.I would have called you... dedicated in your beliefs.
Well, that's the way to put it.I would have called you... dedicated in your beliefs.
maybe a bit rabid and persistent too..
Thank you!
I'm quite happy with the site myself. What started as simply a site with a couple of pictures developed into something much more. I have some ideas of some additions to the site. I hope that I will find time for it soon.
I'm surprised that Voyager didn't have more recurring characters. Considering the fact that it was a ship with a limited amount of crew members, characters like carey, Rollins, Dalby, Henlet, Gerron and Chell should have been permanent recurring characters.
No, no, never! Chakotay is my second favorite in the series and it would have annoyed me almost as much as Kes's "departure" if they had dumped him. A great character who could have been much better with better writers.
Not to mention that it was in the later seasons that Beltran wanted out, around the time when it was all about Seven, Janeway and The Doctor while the others were shoved in the background. Not in the beginning of season 4 when kes was dumped.
And no, I don't like the "nobody is safe" vibes. main characters are there to be liked and respected, not killed off. Besides that I didn't like "Game Of Thrones" or any dystopian medeival series with sword-waving bearded gnomes. Give me Star Trek in the 90's, NCIS, CSI, The X-files or or some Western series any day.
I've never understood the fascination with the medeival time. A horrible era in the history of mankind.
Yeah, there we have that dystopian kill of characters again. It was also about writers who desperately wanted to come up with something new without really thinking it over, like "A nine year lifespan! We have never had that before!". They didn't even see the consequences, that it wouldn't work in the long run for many reasons. And when they did realise that, they just kept going and simply omitted the whole thing, except for the rare occasions that it was mentioned. They should have fixed that in Cold Fire in season 2 and given kes a prolonged lifespan.
Maybe. But the writers must take some blame too. There were simply too many contradictions, too many quick fixes, too much thast didn't really fit together already from the start. I recently re-read the book Caretaker which is based on the episode and also watched the episode and realized how many flaws there are in the story in that otherwise very good episode. It started already there and continued and got worse during the whols series.
The most positive aspect of all those flaws, contradictions and "this doesn't work" scenarios is that it inspired me to create the page "Voyager Mysteries-and how to solve them" on the Kes Website. That page is the "hidden gem" among all the Kes worshipping pages on the site and it has given me many funny hours with figuring out a decent explanation for some strange contradiction in the series. One of the reasons why I really would like to sit down with Berman and Braga and have a nice, polite and friendly chat with them about the series. I wonder if they would like my suggestions?
But in all respect to Kim, he wasn't alone when it came to being stuckw ith the same rank for years. We did have Geordi LaForge too. OK, he was Lieutenant but still had the same rank during TNG:s time and he was more prominent in his work and as a character that Kim was.
As for Kim, I will return with some comments on the Voyager books later on. In most of thos e books, he's actually doing something. However, it would make this post very long so I'll take it later today or tomorrow.
I have to refer to the Kes Website and the "Voyaer Mysteries-And how to solve them" page again which is the place where I came up first with the "Kazon-Ogla under siege by other Kazon sects" scenario which I mentioned here. To be honest, maybe not the best explanation but it was the only possible suggestion to come up with.
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