The Bird of Prey's Warp Nacelles are on the shoulder connecting the wing joint. They are the grill like thingy that you can see from the Dorsal side of the vessel.
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Save that the Constitution-class pulled off the very same maneuver to get back home from the 1960s. Warping around the Sun until they reached the proper time, than broke away from the Sun's orbit into the 23rd century. Pretty much had to do it three times. Once as a theory to get home from 1969 (Tomorrow is Yesterday), then the next time on purpose (both ways) to 1968 (Assignment: Earth).
But that isn't the type of maneuverability that Kirk worries about. His more or less stationary ship is incapable of even bringing weapons to bear, even though one would assume warp drive would have nothing to do with the ability or inability to pivot in place.
Indeed, when Kirk regains warp, the first thing he orders done is pivoting, at warp two.
The Borg also pivot easily enough at high/exotic warp in "Scorpion", without the benefit of nacelles. And Pike and Kirk appeared to prefer warping with the nose of the ship slightly down, at least in the opening credits. No telling how gradual that was.
Backstage technobabble can be applied easily enough to suggest that warp fields lower inertia and thus make pivoting easier. Or we can say that pivoting is done with raw strength of propulsion, and warp engine power systems give more of that strength (only not through warp propulsion, but through the separate pivoting system, whatever that is). In any case, pivoting happens, and is not considered particularly noteworthy back in TOS. Or when aliens do it, say, when the Kazon dance around the warping Voyager in their smaller ships.
Timo Saloniemi
Those grilles are the joints that allow the wings to move up and down. The warp engine, as it appeared in STIV, was integrated into the same area as the impulse engine in the center of the ship.
I think the OP theory is interesting and makes sense based on what we are made to believe throughout the series regarding balancing of warp fields and whatnot. VOY takes a lot of stuff and tosses it to the wind for the plot's sake so Paris's little rhyme seems to me to be as already stated: a nursery rhyme.
It's just the Vulcan warp ring opened and flattened, is all.
And opening the ring isn't a bad thing, as many a Vulcan design attests. Some flattening isn't bad, either, in the 24th century Vulcan transport.
Perhaps slablike warp engines are a thing? The TNG guest ships often had slabs: Kivas Fajo's ship had two on the sides, then lost those and gained one on top for Bajoran use, while another Bajoran ship had two of the hexagonal top slabs but to the sides. Those might very well have been their warp engines, as the ships clearly could do warp yet lacked tubular nacelles.
Then again, ships without tubes or slabs warp fine, too. So the real Klingon warp engine might be just about anywhere. Perhaps it's the ring around the torpedo tube?
Timo Saloniemi
And opening the ring isn't a bad thing, as many a Vulcan design attests. Some flattening isn't bad, either, in the 24th century Vulcan transport.
Perhaps slablike warp engines are a thing? The TNG guest ships often had slabs: Kivas Fajo's ship had two on the sides, then lost those and gained one on top for Bajoran use, while another Bajoran ship had two of the hexagonal top slabs but to the sides. Those might very well have been their warp engines, as the ships clearly could do warp yet lacked tubular nacelles.
Then again, ships without tubes or slabs warp fine, too. So the real Klingon warp engine might be just about anywhere. Perhaps it's the ring around the torpedo tube?
Timo Saloniemi
If the Warp Field was embedded into the wings, then that would explain some of the reasoning for changing wing positions.
Once you flatten a ring, you remove the ability for it to enclose anything
Except that "flight mode" is always depicted with the wings at 180 degrees to each other (straight out to the sides). How will that form an energy ring around the ship?
No argument here on that score - everyone knows that 23rd century nacelles are where the power comes from
How does the borg manage to create Warp Fields despite having no obvious Warp Nacelles on their surface?
I think the Borg should be judged by a different standard than Starfleet or even most Alpha Quadrant races. The "rules" regarding how nacelles work together really only need to apply to ships that have nacelles as a design approach anyway. Nacelle is just a fancy word for "outboard engine" after all. 
Thank goodness none of the original shows talked about the rules 
SCOTT: Motive power? Beats me what makes it go.
KIRK: I'll buy speculation.
SCOTT: I'd sell it if I had any. That's a solid cube. How something like that can sense us coming, block us, move when we move, well it beats me. That's my report.
SCOTT: Motive power? Beats me what makes it go.
KIRK: I'll buy speculation.
SCOTT: I'd sell it if I had any. That's a solid cube. How something like that can sense us coming, block us, move when we move, well it beats me. That's my report.
Then again, having the wings for atmospheric ops is also fine. Not just as lifting surfaces - when the ship lands on a surface, the wings take the big guns to a commanding position above the battlefield!
But the need to enclose might not be there. Warp field lines might neatly curve from one side of the slab to the other, enclosing the ship in an intuitive bubble shape.
It's not as if warp engines within nacelles enclose anything much, either, after all.
The same way a pole magnet creates rings...
...and/or the same way a nacelled set of doughnut coils does?
The closest we get to canon on these issues are the Okudagrams seen when the Traveler meddles with the E-D warp fields in "Where No One". The shapes have little intuitive connectivity to the shapes of the bits supposedly creating the field.
Timo Saloniemi
When you're landing the wings go up so the Disruptor Guns don't sit on the ground.
The Borg cubes and First Federation cubes clearly use a different method of FTL propulsion, which is fine.
Klingons, Romulans and Starfleet are all seen to use nacelles in one form or another, so there's no real reason to thing that the BOP utilised a one-off completely different line of tech. If warp coils can be made so that they fit into the flat wings of a BOP, why have nacelles at all? The warp coils could go into the Enterprise's pylons and be just as effective!
Klingons, Romulans and Starfleet are all seen to use nacelles in one form or another, so there's no real reason to thing that the BOP utilised a one-off completely different line of tech. If warp coils can be made so that they fit into the flat wings of a BOP, why have nacelles at all? The warp coils could go into the Enterprise's pylons and be just as effective!
Diversity of warp drive solutions is not in question in Trek: all sorts of folks fly in ships of all sorts of shapes. And the Feds don't limit themselves to nacelles, either, as is evident from ships with tucked-in coils (or at least tucked-in somethings) such as in the Defiant and Sarajevo - a very Cardassian approach to warp drive.
Klingon ships are all over the map as well. Even if we wish to bicker about how things went wrong when ST3:TSfS premiered, Klingons "nowadays" fly ships with and without nacelles, and the former come in a bewildering range of shapes.
That said, nothing forces us to think that the BoP would have its warp drive built into its wings. But "completely different line of tech" is probably still at play there, given the absence of anything looking even remotely like Kirk's twin cigars.
In comparison, the 22nd century BoP does have conventional-looking nacelles on the top corners of the odd shoulder grilles. And grilles shaped so that they make no sense as mere hinges for the wings, so they might just as well be warp "coils" or whatever. For all we know, this is a belt-and-suspenders version of something that in the 23rd century drops either the belt or the suspenders for affordability, or stealth, or insert-reason.
Timo Saloniemi
Klingon ships are all over the map as well. Even if we wish to bicker about how things went wrong when ST3:TSfS premiered, Klingons "nowadays" fly ships with and without nacelles, and the former come in a bewildering range of shapes.
That said, nothing forces us to think that the BoP would have its warp drive built into its wings. But "completely different line of tech" is probably still at play there, given the absence of anything looking even remotely like Kirk's twin cigars.
In comparison, the 22nd century BoP does have conventional-looking nacelles on the top corners of the odd shoulder grilles. And grilles shaped so that they make no sense as mere hinges for the wings, so they might just as well be warp "coils" or whatever. For all we know, this is a belt-and-suspenders version of something that in the 23rd century drops either the belt or the suspenders for affordability, or stealth, or insert-reason.
Timo Saloniemi
7 shows Janeway an animation of their ships generating a massive shaped field around the entire vessel and some vague reference to it "not working like Starfleet warp fields". Something along the lines of their decentralised technology having an array of field emitters under the hull that create a much larger spatial warp aided by 'something' else.
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