ENT in XI

[Samuel T. Cogley]

UWC Defiance said:
"Insiders" being relative in this case. You're far from the only one hereabouts with such experiences, not everyone's are secondhand and everyone's experience does not agree.

It remains a matter of pet theories and opinions.

I have first-hand information that Msrtin Luther King, Jr. recently approached Nichelle Nichols and begged her -- on hands and knees -- to make J.J. Abrams cast Zachary Quinto as Spock in the next movie. So I think we're in good hands.

 

[Chris_Moderato]

Is Msrtin Luther King, Jr. any relation to Martin Luther King, Jr.?

 

[RookieBatman]

Obviously, Cogley made a misprint. He meant Martin Luther King, Jr. Msrtin Luther King, Jr. was the stand-in that actually got killed, which is how Martin Luther King is still alive to beg Nichelle (simultaneously by phone, letter, text message, and in person) to get Abrams to choose Quinto. Obviously.

 

[AC84]

UWC Defiance said:

"Insiders" being relative in this case. You're far from the only one hereabouts with such experiences

Nor did I make the claim I was.

UWC Defiance said:not everyone's are secondhand and everyone's experience does not agree.

Unlike the Mommie Dearest book, no one that I know of has contested these numerous stories that seem to be on the same page with each other.

UWC Defiance said:It remains a matter of pet theories and opinions.

...in your opinion. Want to hear mine? Theory implies individual speculation and hypotheses of unknown information. We know Alexander Hamilton was killed by Aaron Burr and of the words exchanged between the two because of witnesses. To my knowledge, we've yet to hear any first-hand accounts of our first Secretary of the Treasury being kidnapped and beheaded by Napoléon Bonaparte.

Until I start seeing overwhelming, substantial evidence...scratch that...any evidence that Gene Roddenberry did not strongly recommend his production staff to avoid watching or referencing TOS, and that Rick Berman did not jokingly degrade TOS often behind close doors and throw out Jerome Bixby and his son off the Paramount lot, then I will continue to believe what I hear. Because after all, what am I suppose to do? Ignore everything? Filter my news and only accept the positive? I'm not part of the White House staff of our current administration. And don't get me wrong, I don't believe everything I hear. Those stories told by Therin of Andor and others I take with a grain of salt. They're rumors that only have credence because no one has contested them and they seem to corroborate with other rumors. Emerson Bixby looking me sternly in the eye as if he wanted to punch me while trying his best to professionally recall a painful story made me believe him. If anyone wants to crucify me for giving him the benefit of the doubt, I have only one request. Do it in a manner similar to UWC Defiance. Notice how he hasn't attacked me personally.

And for the record, I don't think Rick Berman dishing out too much TOS fanwank material would have been a good thing. Gene Roddenberry wasn't wrong in thinking that it might have been detrimental. Berman could have put his feelings aside and went back on this after Gene died. Putting in contrived TOS references and guest stars for profitable publicity purposes. And he did on some few occasions. If anyone cares to look at my original post in this thread, I merely state that I ate up what they gave us. Probably because they didn't over feed the original fans. This is partly the reason why season four of ENT was hailed as the best. The only reason some of you are miffed is because I said we all know why they didn't give us much of TOS during modern Trek, and I'm sorry but you all do know why. At least what most of us believe the reason why was. Even if you regard these as fan opinions and pet thories, you're aware of the supposed reasons given...the only reasons that have been given and backed up by witnesses.

 

[number6]

None of which proves your original assertion that someone was trying to "sweep TOS under the rug."

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Woulfe said:
The point i'm trying to make is, is it really needed ?

Will fans storm the gates at Paramount because there's no mention to Enterprise at all in the new film, not even a nod and wink to it ?

- W -
* I do have a life outside of Trek just so folks know *

No, it's not needed. But if there were some subtle reference (or something that could be interpreted as reference by ENT fans), I don't think people would boycott the movie....or would they?

But you're right, I for one don't need it.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

RookieBatman said:
Obviously, Cogley made a misprint. He meant Martin Luther King, Jr. Msrtin Luther King, Jr. was the stand-in that actually got killed, which is how Martin Luther King is still alive to beg Nichelle (simultaneously by phone, letter, text message, and in person) to get Abrams to choose Quinto. Obviously.

Exactly. Duh!

 

[number6]

Not really.
. Martin Luther King never spoke to Nichelle, but for all we know Msrtin was all over that bitch..

 

[RookieBatman]

That could also be true. Ya never know.

 

[Woulfe]

Are we starting to make [BLEEP] up now ?
God, it's gonna be a looooong 500+ days.
- W -
* Not that I don't mind, mind you *

 

[number6]

Woulfe said:
Are we starting to make [BLEEP] up now ?

People have been making [BLEEP] up all around. Why should today be any different. These conspiracy theories are more interesting than the first two seasons of TNG!!

 

[Woulfe]

Well, how much [BLEEP] can we make up in 500+ days ?
Shouldn't we pace ourselves so we don't start repeating [BLEEP] that's allready been made up ?
- W -
* In other words we have to have [BLEEP] canon *

 

[RookieBatman]

We need a FAQ to specifically cover what [BLEEP] has already been made up.

 

[Woulfe]

YES a [BLEEP]ing FAQ, that'll help a lot, good idea.
Otherwise folks will get [BLEEP]ing confused.

- W -
* What The [BLEEP] Is This [BLEEP] ? *

 

[number6]

I'm just making [BLEEP] as I go along..though I do have my "inside sources."

 

[Woulfe]

Not just any old inside sources right ?
You have [BLEEP]ing inside sources, right ?

- W -
* [BLEEP] *

 

[number6]

Woulfe said:
Not just any old inside sources right ?
You have [BLEEP]ing inside sources, right ?

- W -
* [BLEEP] *

Indeed!! [BLEEP]ing inside sources with [BLEEP]ing conspiracy thories about how much this film will [BLEEP] our childhoods!!

 

[Woulfe]

We're gonna send the censors into overdrive if we keep this [BLEEP]ing curseing up yanno

- W -
* Dons tin-foil hat for conspiracy thories 101 *

 

[number6]

The censors are too [BLEEP]ing busy [BLEEP]ing barnyard animals up the [BLEEP].

 

[Woulfe]

That explanes a alot doesn't it.....

The Star Trek (2008) Conspirasy Theory F.A.Q.

1. EVERYTHING and we do mean everything people find wrong must be somehow linked directly to Rick Berman and Branon Bragda even though they have nothing to do with the film.

2. The Film Has To Suck Because Of X, Y, Z. (see rule 1)

3. No one can replace Leonard Nimoy or Willam Shatner. (see rule 2) Even though Spock has allready been cast.

4. All cursewords must be replaced by [BLEEP] just so no [BLEEP] will have any [BLEEP]ing idea what the [BLEEP] your talking about, in fact use it as much as you [BLEEP]ing like.

5. If all else fails blame it on UFO's, Aliens, Black Ops, The Goverment, The System, your 5 grade science teacher who gave you an F, that weird looking guy down the street, for not "Getting" what Star Trek is all about.

6. No proof, it doesn't matter, this is The Internet, you don't need proof, everything on the Internet is true after all, isn't it ?

7. Someone tells you that your wrong you just say that they don't "Get" Star Trek. (see rule 5)

8. Photoshop is your friend, use it !

9. Someone finds actual news that contradics what you said before just say, well they just changed it becuse they found out that that it was leaked out over The Internet.

10. Never go anywhere without your tin-foil hat.
(They can read your mind you know)

- W -
* Feel free to add to this as you see fit *