Do you feel bad knowing Sam Kirk's fate?

[fireproof78]

"Hi Christopher, I'm Nero" was amazing. It's so different than the other shakespearean lines people utter. Really, Nero doesn't give a crap about these guys. They're NPCs who wandered into this game of revenge against Old Man Spock. They're 200 year old ghosts to him. He might as well be talking to holodeck characters. And he's a miner, way more casual and there's an efficiency about him. "Hi, can you come over to my ship or I am going to kill you."

Nero is, hands down, one of my favorite villianous characters in Star Trek. He is not a superhuman, he is not an evil genius. He is, by design, and everyman who faced an incredible crisis, and was left with nothing but revenge. He has gone psychotic, breaking from reality because of the time travel. Why in all of the galaxy, should he treat these people with any sort of formality when he has a planet to save and revenge to exact.


We all like to think we're Kirk in our stories, but we are closer to Nero than many humans are every comfortable to admitting. And that is what makes the story so incredibly good.

 

[somebuddyX]

I think if they ever got to "Operation: Annihilate" in a SNW-type retelling of the tale we'd see more Sam's fate and it would probably feel more impactful or satisfying, even if there's nothing heroic in it. Sometimes I'll know a characters fate in a TV series even long before I start watching it. I knew John Winchester died long before I watched Supernatural. It was just good seeing that character interact with the boys as much as he did.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

It's uncharacteristic for people to talk like...people?

When the Captain asks questions, the usual responses are affirmative, negative, yes sir or no sir. Ergo cognito kumquat, McGivers reply was legitimately uncharacteristic of TOS. Ya dig?

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

"Hi Christopher, I'm Nero" was amazing. It's so different than the other Shakespearean lines people utter.

Matt Damon's ''Okay'' line in THE DEPARTED was even better and shorter, yet brilliantly double-edged. It connotes defeat, acceptance, yet implies one last plan at self-salvation. Not since Michael J. Pollard unleashed his ''what're you, what're you, what, what?'' has there been such situational accuracy in the dialogue.

I'll stray no further, unless the drift prolongs.

 

[fireproof78]

When the Captain asks questions, the usual responses are affirmative, negative, yes sir or no sir. Ergo cognito kumquat, McGivers reply was legitimately uncharacteristic of TOS. Ya dig?

That didn't always happen, so i question the "uncharacteristic " characterization.

 

[Nerys Myk]

When the Captain asks questions, the usual responses are affirmative, negative, yes sir or no sir. Ergo cognito kumquat, McGivers reply was legitimately uncharacteristic of TOS. Ya dig?

Nah.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

Nah.

There's ANOTHER one! Fire phasers to.....characterize?!

 

[Nerys Myk]

There's ANOTHER one! Fire phasers to.....characterize?!

There can be more character in a "nah" than in a five page soliloquy.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

That would depend on the number of ''a''s, forsooth.

 

[Nerys Myk]

That would depend on the number of ''a''s, forsooth.

Nay

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

But there's a positive step.

 

[fireproof78]

SULU: And if they could report they destroyed us?
STILES: These are Romulans! You run away from them and you guarantee war. They'll be back. Not just one ship but with everything they've got. You know that, Mister Science Officer. You've the expert on these people, always left out that one point. Why? I'm very interested in why.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Cut it meaning what?

He's a barely holding his rage together and is an amazing

I just don’t find him all that compelling as a character, is all. He makes no sense to me.

“SPOOOCKK I HATE YOU FOR TRYING YOUR BEST TO SAVE MY PLANET CUCKOO CUCKOO”

 

[fireproof78]

I just don’t find him all that compelling as a character, is all. He makes no sense to me.

“SPOOOCKK I HATE YOU FOR TRYING YOUR BEST TO SAVE MY PLANET CUCKOO CUCKOO”

Psychotic breaks will do that to people.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

I don’t doubt that, but that’s what makes him less compelling for me.

The COUNTDOWN comic at least tried to add a lot more to the character, so much so that I wish the movie did a better job of conveying that. Heck, retaining the Klingon prison stuff might have added to it, though how he reclaims his mining vessel would have been a logistical issue.

 

[fireproof78]

I don’t doubt that, but that’s what makes him less compelling for me.

A character experiencing a psychotic break is less compelling?

To quote the same movie:
Captain, please, I apologize. The complexities of Human pranks escape me.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

The way the film handled it? Certainly didn’t work for me. But none of the antagonists in the Kelvin films were compelling for me (but then again, a large swath of the original films were already lacking anyway).

 

[fireproof78]

The way the film handled it? Certainly didn’t work for me. But none of the antagonists in the Kelvin films were compelling for me (but then again, a large swath of the original films were already lacking anyway).

Well, today's IDIC moment for me.

 

[The Wormhole]

But none of the antagonists in the Kelvin films were compelling for me

It certainly didn't help matters that they were all seeking revenge against Earth/the Federation.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Man, I loved hearing what I heard from the filmmakers of BEYOND before it came out, but when the movie reveals that it’s ultimately a guy with a grudge against the Federation, I just… ugh.