Days of Future Past is superior to Endgame.

[Dales]

So I caught this movie on Netflix after a few years. I still enjoyed it thoroughly and a lot more now, perhaps because of the political and social changing climate and perhaps because when you watch it, you can tell it is not a MCU + Disney film. its more grounded , its grittier , its darker, its a drama and the tone is serious and believable. However I found it to be an overall superior quality film to Endgame since both movies have time travel and some CGI set pieces but that is where the similarities end.
Here are some of the things I noticed.
DOFP had a more coherent time travel story to Endgame. DOFP story is a far less generic than Endgame. Cinematography, art direction, sound mixing, editing and CGI in DOFP is better. As a person who has disliked MCU cgi style since Age of Ultron, it was nice to see another comic movie that used CGI that was more realistic to look at in a live action film. MCU movies have become more like cartoons in the last few years, especially in films like Thor Ragnarök and Infinity War. the cgi is too green screened in Endgame. DOFP , I believe was more practical effects set in a world that had to be as real as possible.

I like the themes of DOFP, The movie had a strong message that shines through all the superhero madness unlike Endgame. DOFP captured many real social issues like racism, War, politics. the story is complicated and wrapped in a lot of compelling conflicts with the core characters. I still think magneto attempting to assassinate Nixon and Trask on live TV was astonishing. I just don't get anything that interesting from Thanos or Endgame. Endgame is just generic with the ET villains and world domination quest.

I also liked that DOFP story is driven by morally grey characters like mystique, magneto, wolverine. DOFP had a story and a plot. Endgame has only a plot. People always said xmen was a soap opera, I think DOFP is the best movie that captures that

Lastly, DOFP is a more adult driven comic movie something Disney MCU movies so desperately needs. there is something about Avengers films that makes me film embarrassed when I watch them, Scorsese saying they are more theme parks than films is kind of truthful. In DOFP you just don't get a massive straightforward cgi battle, instead you get a fantastic drama between the characters who are all right to some extent as I understand Magneto, Xavier, Mystique, Trask and Nixon point of view on how to go about the human vs mutants conflict. I am not into thanos who wants to conquer earth for no reason. DOFP is morally compelling, Endgame isn't. DOFP is a story beyond good and evil, above black and white. Endgame is pretty dense and derivate.

Endgame was fun like most mcu movies, But DOFP is just something more. this movie was as good as the dark Knight, maybe even better because it had more going for it than just one joker type of character who steals the entire show, its a more complex and layered film than the dark Knight. I wills say I am glad, MCU never got the chance to make it because they would have dumbed it down drastically and taken away a lot from the story , themes and directing style.

Now Endgame and DOFP are both marvel films, so in a way, its a win win for marvel but I hope little kids and some millennials who enjoyed Endgame , when they get older, if they are still into Marvel gets a chance to watch and appreciate a film like DOFP. Its the same thing I have said about some people who never saw Sam Raimi's Spiderman films and have only seen Homecoming and far from home that never did Spiderman real justice. Sony and Fox always had their bad superhero moments but their good films like Spiderman 2 and DOFP outclasses these MCU movies that now all feel too Disney manufactured.

 

[Tosk]

both movies have time travel and some CGI set pieces but that is where the similarities end.

Agreed. So why compare them? I say T2 is a better movie than both of them.

DOFP had a more coherent time travel story to Endgame.

So the idea is that Kitty has to hold Logan back in the past, and things will progress in lock-step until she lets go, and that's when the new future will overwrite the current one...and yet there's a scene where she loses the connection and '70s Logan wakes up again in his own body, so why does the future not update right then?

Its the same thing I have said about some people who never saw Sam Raimi's Spiderman films and have only seen Homecoming and far from home that never did Spiderman real justice.

Spider-Man.

 

[Gaith]

I agree that DoFP, while pretty highly rated, is still underrated. It does what not one MCU movie has done - build a climax around a moral choice. There are moral issues in MCU movies, to be sure, but in the end, they all, without exception that I can think of, boil down to who punches hardest/last. (Or, in the case of Doctor Strange, who "punches" most cleverly.)

Granted, the "don't kill that guy because we know for a fact the future will suuuuck" is a very particular and effective move (so much so that Deadpool 2 ripped it off), but that doesn't make it any less commendable. And Magneto raising and dropping RFK stadium around the White House, along with his televised call to arms/mutant solidarity, is just pure awesome. It's a shame that Apocalypse utterly failed to build on that promise, and made Mystique into an international hero rather than someone authorities tolerated at most.

That said, Endgame has some first-rate character work and shading beyond that of DoFP. To me, the key takeaway here is the both DoFP and Endgame are better films than Logan, which, for all its violence, gratuitous f-bombs, and weeping Patrick Stewart, is only an average, overlong (141 minutes!) flick with pretensions it doesn't earn. Sure, Logan makes several mentions of how "there's no getting over a killing," but nothing in the story contributes to that theme, and the movie ends with him getting literally his mojo back in order to kill a whole bunch of dudes and go out in a blaze of glory.

TL;DR: DoFp, not Logan, deserved that Best Adapted Screenplay Oscar nomination.

 

[Anwar]

So I caught this movie on Netflix after a few years. I still enjoyed it thoroughly and a lot more now, perhaps because of the political and social changing climate and perhaps because when you watch it, you can tell it is not a MCU + Disney film.

No, it's typical FoX-Men. Pretentious and repetitive.

its more grounded , its grittier , its darker, its a drama and the tone is serious and believable.

Actually, it's full of plot holes and wasted opportunities. As usual from Fox.

Here are some of the things I noticed.
DOFP had a more coherent time travel story to Endgame. DOFP story is a far less generic than Endgame.

It's uber generic compared to Endgame's more creative take on the idea.

Cinematography, art direction, sound mixing, editing and CGI in DOFP is better.

Hardly. Endgame wins in all of those categories.

DOFP , I believe was more practical effects set in a world that had to be as real as possible.

No, it just had no ambition.

I like the themes of DOFP, The movie had a strong message that shines through all the superhero madness unlike Endgame.

DOFP had no message beyond "Undo X3".

DOFP captured many real social issues like racism, War, politics.

Nope. It had nothing.

I still think magneto attempting to assassinate Nixon and Trask on live TV was astonishing.

Astonishingly stupid. The only dumber things were Nixon being fine with Mystique changing her mind to kill them and Xavier letting Magneto go instead of killing his ass.

I also liked that DOFP story is driven by morally grey characters like mystique, magneto, wolverine.

A bunch of short sighted fools.

DOFP had a story and a plot. Endgame has only a plot. People always said xmen was a soap opera, I think DOFP is the best movie that captures that

And Soap Opera CBMs are bad.

Lastly, DOFP is a more adult driven comic movie

Nah, it's the product of people ashamed of comics.

Scorsese saying they are more theme parks than films is kind of truthful.

He's an old fool.

In DOFP you just don't get a massive straightforward cgi battle, instead you get a fantastic drama between the characters who are all right to some extent as I understand Magneto, Xavier, Mystique, Trask and Nixon point of view on how to go about the human vs mutants conflict.

It's idiotic, it always has been. X-Men's conflict have always been 1-D.

I am not into thanos who wants to conquer earth for no reason.

You weren't paying attention if that's what you think he wanted.

DOFP is morally compelling, Endgame isn't. DOFP is a story beyond good and evil, above black and white. Endgame is pretty dense and derivate.

You got that 100% backwards. DOFP was just the usual nonsense from FoX. It's why they folded.

But DOFP is just something more. this movie was as good as the dark Knight, maybe even better because it had more going for it than just one joker type of character who steals the entire show, its a more complex and layered film than the dark Knight. I wills say I am glad, MCU never got the chance to make it because they would have dumbed it down drastically and taken away a lot from the story , themes and directing style.

They'd have made it be about more than "Poor mutants suffering due to intolerant humans" the way FoX keeps doing.

MCU X-Men would have the balls to explain the mutants started the war and the Sentinels were created by desperate humans as a last ditch measure.

Now Endgame and DOFP are both marvel films

DOFP represents an out of touch, obsolete way. Endgame is the future.

Sony and Fox always had their bad superhero moments but their good films like Spiderman 2 and DOFP

Have been easily surpassed.

I agree that DoFP, while pretty highly rated, is still underrated. It does what not one MCU movie has done - build a climax around a moral choice.

What choice? Don't kill the guy, instead just ruin his rep? What choice is that? Either way, you get what you want. Mystique was being a moron in her single minded approach.

TL;DR: DoFp, not Logan, deserved that Best Adapted Screenplay Oscar nomination.

DOFP was full of plot holes.

 

[Dales]

I agree that DoFP, while pretty highly rated, is still underrated. It does what not one MCU movie has done - build a climax around a moral choice. There are moral issues in MCU movies, to be sure, but in the end, they all, without exception that I can think of, boil down to who punches hardest/last. (Or, in the case of Doctor Strange, who "punches" most cleverly.)

Granted, the "don't kill that guy because we know for a fact the future will suuuuck" is a very particular and effective move (so much so that Deadpool 2 ripped it off), but that doesn't make it any less commendable. And Magneto raising and dropping RFK stadium around the White House, along with his televised call to arms/mutant solidarity, is just pure awesome. It's a shame that Apocalypse utterly failed to build on that promise, and made Mystique into an international hero rather than someone authorities tolerated at most.

That said, Endgame has some first-rate character work and shading beyond that of DoFP. To me, the key takeaway here is the both DoFP and Endgame are better films than Logan, which, for all its violence, gratuitous f-bombs, and weeping Patrick Stewart, is only an average, overlong (141 minutes!) flick with pretensions it doesn't earn. Sure, Logan makes several mentions of how "there's no getting over a killing," but nothing in the story contributes to that theme, and the movie ends with him getting literally his mojo back in order to kill a whole bunch of dudes and go out in a blaze of glory.

TL;DR: DoFp, not Logan, deserved that Best Adapted Screenplay Oscar nomination.

I won't say DOFP is totally underrated, it just did not get the attention as most mcu movies because , its a marvel movie that does not take place in the MCU. the media loves to hype MCU. That been said, I agree with what you said, about DOFP been about moral conflict. it also what makes it a mature film.

Logan, DOFP and X2 are considered the best X-Men films. Its hard too rate endgame to them because endgame is very different. its a fun Disney movie. I have never taken Avengers seriously the way I take some of the xmen films or batman films. The Oscas can be snobs so they have a type. Logan is their type of movie. while there are strong arguments that DOFP is better, Logan is more Oscar friendly.

I would say that what DOFP and Logan did was give the best portrayal of Charles Xavier. Both Stewart and Mcavoy could have gotten nominated for best supporting actors in their roles. I loved LSDs drug addict 70s xavIer from DOFP. I wish Endgame has done something like that with Thor instead of making a joke.

 

[Anwar]

I won't say DOFP is totally underrated, it just did not get the attention as most mcu movies because , its a marvel movie that does not take place in the MCU.

It got tons of attention. And even with that it lost to Guardians of the Galaxy.

That been said, I agree with what you said, about DOFP been about moral conflict.

What moral conflict? There was no moral conflict.

it also what makes it a mature film.

If it was, they'd have had the balls to kill off some of the characters.

Logan, DOFP and X2 are considered the best X-Men films.

X2 is just a rehash of X1, DOFP is riddled with plot holes and Logan was just a generic Western. Not a high bar.

Its hard too rate endgame to them because endgame is very different.

Yes, it had ambition and intelligence and wasn't ashamed of itself. As opposed to those other movies.

I have never taken Avengers seriously the way I take some of the xmen films or batman films.

Because it's unashamed.

The Oscas can be snobs so they have a type. Logan is their type of movie. while there are strong arguments that DOFP is better, Logan is more Oscar friendly.

Too bad they couldn't get a best Picture Nom, like Black Panther did.

I would say that what DOFP and Logan did was give the best portrayal of Charles Xavier.

An incompetent?

Both Stewart and Mcavoy could have gotten nominated for best supporting actors in their roles. I loved LSDs drug addict 70s xavIer from DOFP. I wish Endgame has done something like that with Thor instead of making a joke.

Thor was more realistically done. Xavier got over 10 years of drugs and booze in ONE SCENE whereas Thor didn't.

 

[The Wormhole]

I like both movies and see no merit in comparing them.

 

[Saul]

Endgame is the ending to a 20 movie arc, it needs to tick some boxes. DOFP is it's own film, the continuity of the X-men films was wishy washy and soft rebooted just one movie before. I like the time travel in DOFP. Time travel rules in Endgame were fresher from a story point i.e. you can't actually change the past.

I like both.

 

[crookeddy]

I like both movies and see no merit in comparing them.

First sane point on here.

 

[Noname Given]

Of the FOX X-Men film series, the only ones I really liked were:
1) X-Men: First Class (IMO - The best version of X-Men they did, but I've always liked the original 1960ies comic version.)
2) X-Men: Days of Future Past
3) X2

X3 was just a clusterfuck; and I was really looking forward to the "x-mEN: Apocalypse" film; but FOX really hosed both that and the "Dark Phoenix" storyline.

As for the first X-Men film by Bryan Singer - I thought it had some great scenes here and there, but overall it was pretty mediocre. And don't get me started with all the Wolverine stuff. Origins: Wolverine blew chunks; The Wolverine was okay (not great); and while I know many LOVED Logan -- Bleh, no I really didn't need to see Professor X descend into senility; and no I was never a fan of where they were going to go with their "New Mutants" <--- Which I assume is now dead and buried with Disney owning FOX and marvel having the full film X-Men rights back.

I LOVED both Deadpool films; and I really hope Marvel doesn't dial the CHARACTER back going forward.

As for the Marvel Film series - the only one I was 'meh' about after seeing it was "Captain Marvel". (But to be fair, I've never cared for the Ultra-Godlike power level characters and it's really hard to given them a real challenge that's credible, and that was honestly the case for Captain Marvel). They've avoided that with trope with Thor by keeping the majority of his stuff in Asgard where the threat is other Asgardians (like Loki) or having stuff that DID threaten Asgard itself.

And I was absolutely sure I was going to hate BOTH "Ant Man" and "GotG" <--- But yeah, in the end I did like both and thought they did well with the characters.

On the DC front, I enjoyed both of their latest entries of Aquaman and Shazaam and I liked their take of Cyborg in the Justice League film a lot, and liked that they finally gave me a version of Superman that I liked; and I'm disappointed they're abandoning their shared universe (and there won't be a Cyborg stand alone); and honestly could CARE LESS about a Batmanless "Joker" that I'm sure cinema critics will love because it's more "realistic/grounded" and doesn't have a real comic book element. Yes, I know many comic book fans LOVE that take, but no I don't and have zero interest in seeing it even when it comes to pay cable.

But yeah, I'n sure Mr. Scorsese and the Motion Picture Academy will find "Joker" 'cinematic' enough to give it a few awards so they can claim they now 'like' comic book films, etc. I'm also sure WB will continue with other films in this vein until one tanks hard at the box office, but time will tell.

 

[JD]

and no I was never a fan of where they were going to go with their "New Mutants" <--- Which I assume is now dead and buried with Disney owning FOX and marvel having the full film X-Men rights back.

The last thing we heard is that they are planning to release it next April.

LOVED both Deadpool films; and I really hope Marvel doesn't dial the CHARACTER back going forward.

Disney has said that they want to continue the Deadpool movies in the same style as the first two.

 

[Pauln6]

I personally think the X-Men films work better as a soap opera with political and super hero overtones. When they turn them into full on action flicks, they gut the characters. If they had kept a lid on most of their powers, and just had someone with oversight of continuity, I would have enjoyed the franchise more overall.

X-men 1 proved that even women could enjoy super hero flicks if you focused on characterisation rather than flashy powers and action. I think it just suffered from a lacklustre finale because only Wolverine got to let loose.

The best Avengers movie for me remains Winter Soldier because of the soap opera elements fleshing out Cap, Widow, and Falcon. I would happily have watched more of them alongside Hawkeye, Mockingbird, and other low powered heroes. I love the now defunct Netflix shows.

My main criticism of DOFP was not allowing Rogue to be more like her iconic comic version when they rescued her. She was still the meek 16 year old. I wanted her traumatised, angry, and very strong.

My X-men head canon includes X1-3, The Wolverine, and DOFP. The others feel superfluous. I'm hoping that whatever steps Marvel take keep the past continuity from those movies roughly intact.

 

[JD]

I doubt very, very much that will happen. They haven't kept any of the continuity from past versions of other characters, and I don't see why the X-Men would be any different.

 

[Set Harth]

Either way, you get what you want.

No, the outcome was very different, that was the point.

DOFP is riddled with plot holes

Yeah right.

I loved LSDs drug addict 70s xavIer from DOFP.

Um... that wasn't a real world 'drug'...

 

[Anwar]

No, the outcome was very different, that was the point.

There's still no moral choice here. Either way Trask was removed as a threat. What DOESN'T make sense was the President being all fine with mutants after what Magneto pulled. Mystique shooting him isn't undoing that.

Yeah right.

Yes, right. The whole damn movie is one big plot hole.

 

[Set Harth]

Either way Trask was removed as a threat.

You don't seem to be following the plot.

Yes, right. The whole damn movie is one big plot hole.

You've had multiple chances to provide specifics, but... nothing.

 

[thribs]

I don’t know... the ending to DoFP was rather weak IMO. I also would have loved to see more of the future scenario.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I didn't like either of them but at least i can remember what happens in endgame

 

[Anwar]

You don't seem to be following the plot.

I'm arguing that there was no real moral choice here. It wasn't some "Kill Trask for what he's done or let him life and suffer no consequences", it was "Kill him and remove him or don't kill him but he's still ruined anyways."

You've had multiple chances to provide specifics, but... nothing.

Quicksilver's whole presence would resolve everything, no reason given why they don't consider this.

The mutants losing in the future world when they have weapons the Sentinels couldn't survive against.

Magneto's big attack at the end is all that's needed to solidify the bad future or make it worse, no one thinks about this.

The President is fine with mutants just because Mystique shot Magneto when he clearly knew she was there to kill HIM as well.

I can go on.

 

[ALF]

What I love about both films is that they improve with repeat viewings.