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Right now I'm in an optimistic mood. I'm going to enjoy it while it lasts.
You're right, of course, and I did not mean to slight or diminish those creators or their works in any way. However, I was also thinking about things like the "Stan's Soapbox" column that ran in the comics, some of which still get brought up as being relevant today.
Stan definitely tried to push key issues of racism and bigotry in the comics and his letter columns. He was still a victim of his time, as we all are, in terms of his awareness of and viewpoint on issues--but he wasn't scared of bringing the real world into the comics. I do remember being introduced to apartheid and South Africa through an issue of the Fantastic Four (in reprint), and also the Black Panthers as that was the issue in which T'Challa briefly changed his name to the Black Leopard. I always wondered if Marvel had been pressured to make that change by outside forces--as it only lasted a brief time (maybe even that one issue?) before going back to Black Panther.
I remember that as well. I remember T'Challa saying that it was irrelevant because "a leopard is a panther".
ETA: I found an article on the subject.
On -isms: Black Leopard Redux
Sean Kleefeld's daily thoughts about comics and the comic industry.
And Stan would also incorporate concerns from college students that he would hear at public appearances into the lives of Peter Parker and his classmates.
There is one issue where the cover shows Spider-Man swinging through a crowd of student protesters demanding lower cost for student housing. While that was something we saw in the story, this was not a story about the cost of student housing. He didn't crash into the Dean's office, throw him against the wall and demand that he lower student rent, he went in to fight a super villain. But that was the message he wanted on the cover of the book.
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Magneto got baby-fied in the 70s, along with Blob, Mastermind, Lorelai and Unus.
He gets re-aged a few years later
While not seen in the above panels, Professor X was a guest star in that Defenders story, which is why the Magneto baby is later being held (In a cell? A baby? Really, Claremont?) on Muir Island.
If I recall the history correctly, Defenders 16 was the first time any X-Men characters had appeared in a new story in the post cancellation / reprint years. In hindsight, that gives me a sense of Marvel just wrapping up that whole side of the publishing arm knowing that they weren't going to be doing any more new stories, at least for a while.
Also, if I recall the history correctly, the next time any X-Men characters appeared in a new story during the cancellation years was in the classic "Secret Empire" story in Captain America that culminated in issue 175. It was only the Professor, Scott and Jean, and interestingly they were no longer wearing their individual uniforms, but the blue and gold school uniforms. Also in hindsight, I now realize that was because that's what the characters were wearing in the reprints over in their own book at the time.
ETA: Surprise of surprise, my aging memory cells did not, in fact, remember the history correctly. Hank McCoy was actually spun off into his own series soon after X-Men cancellation. Those are the stories in which he turned blue and furry. Soon after those stories ended, he joined the Avengers.
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Marvel had some pretty dumb rules in those days. Not sure if Thomas or Lee were behind that one.
The X-Men show up the previous year in their "graduate" costumes in Avengers 110 during the reprint era. Might have been before the rule was made.
Well, strictly speaking, they're the stories where he turned gray and furry, according to dialogue, though the colorists gave him a purplish hue. Later, his fur changed to black, and like most black things in comics, it was highlighted in blue, and eventually just started being written as blue. (The same thing happened with Nightcrawler's fur and with Batman's and Spider-Man's costumes.)
When Did the Beast's Fur Specifically Turn Blue?
In their latest spotlight on notable comic firsts, CSBG reveals the surprisingly long time it took for Beast's fur to be officially colored blue!
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I had completely forgotten about Avengers 110. A quick Google search tells me that that is probably because the X-Men were unconscious for the entire issue!
Interestingly, while I didn't find any interior images, on the cover they are wearing the yellow and blue school uniforms.
Avengers Vol 1 110
Featured Characters: Avengers ⏴ Black Panther (T'Challa) ⏵ ⏴ Iron Man (Tony Stark) ⏵ ⏴ Thor (Odinson) ⏵ ⏴ Captain America (Steve Rogers) ⏵ ⏴ Vision ⏵ Scarlet Witch (Wanda) Supporting Characters: ⏴ Quicksilver (Pietro) ⏵ (Main story and flashback) ⏴ Crystal ⏵ (Main story and flashback) Lockjaw...
marvel.fandom.com
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One of the plot points is Magneto disguised as Angel in the Neal Adam's designed blue and white costume. And to underscore what @Christopher mentioned it is a solid blue and lacks the heavy blacks of Adams' design.I had completely forgotten about Avengers 110. A quick Google search tells me that that is probably because they were unconscious for the entire issue!
Interestingly, while I didn't find any interior images, on the cover they are wearing the yellow and blue school uniforms.
Avengers Vol 1 110
Featured Characters: Avengers ⏴ Black Panther (T'Challa) ⏵ ⏴ Iron Man (Tony Stark) ⏵ ⏴ Thor (Odinson) ⏵ ⏴ Captain America (Steve Rogers) ⏵ ⏴ Vision ⏵ Scarlet Witch (Wanda) Supporting Characters: ⏴ Quicksilver (Pietro) ⏵ (Main story and flashback) ⏴ Crystal ⏵ (Main story and flashback) Lockjaw...
I don't mean to say it wasn't properly set-up or well written. But the whole idea of mashing together all these different worlds and variants is pretty clearly concept driven, not story driven.
I only read snippets of that series, and synopses of the story--but it really felt like Marvel trying to do its own COIE.
I hope not. One advantage Marvel always had over DC was that they never did a full on reboot like DC has done...what, 3 times now?
And soft reboots to correct the mistakes of the reboot more times that I can remember.
Wasn't Secret Wars used to bring popular characters from different continuities into the main 616?
I've only read the first one, which was before Marvel had any different continuities or Universes to speak of. It was mostly set up for various changes in the regular books, like Spider-Man's black costume and She-Hulk joining the FF. I recall it as mostly being a big VS story.
It did bring Miles Morales over to 616, and it also brought Old Man Logan over a while, but I think he ended up back in the Wasteland eventually. Spider-Gwen/Ghost Spider eventually starting spending at least some time in 616, but I'm not sure if that was after Secret Wars or one of the other Spider people only crossovers.
Another hold over from the Ultimate Universe in the 616 was their evil Reed Richards, also known as "The Maker".
Here's an idea-- What if Wolverine were introduced into the MCU as a member of Alpha Flight? That's a corner of the publishing line that the movies have haven't touched at all.
Here's an idea-- What if Wolverine were introduced into the MCU as a member of Alpha Flight? That's a corner of the publishing line that the movies have haven't touched at all.
So Old Man Logan is sorta confusing as there are at least two versions:
* Original who first appears as "the hooded man" in Fantastic Four, which is further in the future in the Old Man Logan timestream and continues to live in the mainstream Universe in the present (but is never seen again). We then get Old Man Logan, which shows him at a younger age.
* The Secret Wars version who ends up in the present, then goes back to the future and then dies before becoming the grey man.
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