Nah, Lee Forester was a rebound fling. However, Lee later hooking up with the Magneto is another one of Chris Claremont's questionable in hindsight choices.
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That was John Byrne's preferred take on the character. And that is a take that could be powerful, profound and very timely in today's world.
The X-Men are easily the most "woke" aspect of Marvel publishing and always have been. I fully expect future Marvel movies to take on such "woke" concepts as equality and acceptance for people of all social status, nation of origin, skin color or sexual orientation. I mean, Stan Lee was the original woke social justice warrior and his writings bear that out. The X-Men have long been taken as a metaphor for the struggles of oppressed minority communities everywhere. I fully hope and expect the next iteration of the X-Men to be fully multiracial, multi religious, quasi-sexual and woke as hell.
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Eh? What reference was that?
It's a bingo!
This doesn't compute. The whole point of Secret Wars is to do the biggest crossover event ever, even bigger than Infinity War/Endgame. Given that the MCU has already brought back multiple prior X-actors, it would make zero sense for them to stop now.
So, yes, there'll be lots of returning X-actor/characters pairings in Secret Wars. Will each character walk over to a whiteboard, and explain precisely which timeline they came from? Almost certainly not. There may be an original trilogy team and a First Class team appearing side-by-side, and there could very well be Jackman Wolverines in both, Logan be darned.
And maybe the first major character to bite it, Loki in IW-style, will be Deadpool himself. "No more fourth wall breaks this time."
They once ended a Defenders story in the early '70s, when X-Men was no longer publishing new stories, with Magneto being defeated by being reduced to infancy. A few years later, the book was back publishing new stories and Chris Claremont needed him back and he restored him to adulthood in the prime of his life. Granted, those stories were in the '70s, but given the sliding time scale of the comics it might still work.
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They do, but he was preceded by others like Jerry Siegel & Joe Shuster, William Moulton Marston, and Joe Simon & Jack Kirby. Comics have been "woke" since the late 1930s.
They have the benefit of a long, unbroken continuity which included wacky comic book stories that did away with the issue. Back in the early 90s, somebody deaged Magneto to a baby and aged him back up to his prime again. And while I don't know for sure if it was ever used on Magneto, for the past 8-ish years the X-men have all been functionally immortal thanks to advanced cloning technology and memory back-ups.
As things are looking now, the biggest rumor is that the Fantastic Four is set in a different timeline (I think this was even confirmed) and that they will cross over to Earth 616. Yet they are all different actors than the previous versions of FF. Who's to say they won't do something similar for the X-Men? If, in Secret Wars, we suddenly see a portal open and we suddenly get a guy in a wheelchair, a dude with a scarlett cape and helmet, one with sunglasses and one short hairy dude with a sigar that growls, everyone will know who they are without using the same actors.
Do I agree we will get the characters in Secret Wars? For friggin sure. But with perhaps one or two exceptions, they will be new actors. Like the Mr Fantastic cameo in Dr Strange.
I have to agree that's probably the opposite of what will actually happen.
I do think there's some chance we'll see a few newly cast X-men who are intended to return and be the backbone of the new X-Men franchise after the multiverse saga ends.
But they haven't spent the last several years forging new contracts with Maguire, Stewart, Jackman, Grammar, etc, just to show them all once and forget they exist. Secret Wars 100% exists for the specific purpose of getting all of these actors together in one movie (with the returning MCU actors as well, of course). If they weren't specifically aiming for exactly that type of blatant nostalgia then they would've picked a different story to adapt than the highly action-figure-mashup driven concept of Secret Wars. (And in the highly unlikely event they picked Secret Wars for truly narrative purposes and not to enable the massive nostalgia peak, they also would not have jumped on the nostalgic variants train for No Way Home, MoM, The Marvels and D&W.)
Here's the thing.....
With the way the schedules for the MCU movies keep getting mucked about, it would that (for example) Maguire and Stewart need to always be ready for that movie, and can't commit to other stuff. Let's say Maguire is set to do a movie, and suddenly Disney decides to start filming Secret Wars ahead of schedule. Toby would have to commit contract breach (is that the correct English term? I'm Dutch) for one of them. Which always leads to trouble, either financially or in your reputation as a reliable actor. Getting out of a Disney contract is not easy. Can you imagine what a smaller studio would say if Maguire is about to sign to do a movie for them but than says 'I might ditch you guys if the Mouse calls and I need to leave whenever I want.'?
I know fans reallyreallyreallyreally want the SuperTeamUpSuperMovie. But not many actors will sign contracts that say 'we might call you in the future and you'll need to drop whatever you're doing, even though we're signing you one for this movie only'.
It would involve a multimovie contract, and most of these guys have learned by now that signing for something like that, means you're going to be limited to do other things. And most have them no longer feel like that. They just want to do one movie at a time.
Not really.
People on multi-movie contracts commit to other projects all the time. There are whole groups of people working on these movies/for the actors dedicated to working out all the scheduling conflicts and in the rare cases where the scheduling conflicts cannot be worked out, actors pretty much always drop out of movies with no serious consequences. The only time they're going to be hurting for trying to drop out of a movie is if they simply don't want to do it anymore, rather than having unavoidable scheduling conflicts.
To be clear, there is a very good possibility that not everyone will be back - in particular, Stewart is old enough he could turn out to be unable to film for health reasons by the time filming starts. And of course scheduling conflicts are a thing that happens regardless. But Marvel is absolutely aiming to get these people (and probably others, too) back for this movie and they will almost certainly succeed if not in every case then in the majority of them, which will be good enough for the big action figure mash-up that Secret Wars is obviously designed to be.
I guess we'll see in a few years. In the end, one of us will be right and one of us will be wrong.
You can quote me on this if I'm the one that will be wrong, I'm fine with that. Right now all of this is speculation.
Hell, we're all expecting that Secret Wars will go exactly like the comics, but it wouldn't be the first time Marvel only took elements and a title from a certain storyline and will make big changes. Civil War never had the huge elements that the comics had.
Mind you, if we do get some of the previous actors back, I'm pretty good with that. I just don't see it happening, that's all.
Agreed. And feel free to quote me as well.
For the record, I don't believe at all it will go exactly like the comics as not only has that almost never happened, but also there are two completely different versions of Secret Wars in the comics and both of them are potentially relevant. The 2015 SW is the multiverse version which obviously has to be part of their inspiration, but the non-multiverse SW from the 80s is the one the Russos have repeatedly named dropped as a story they loved and would like to do. But the one thing both versions clearly have in common is that they were conceived first and foremost as big, action figure mash-ups which only got a story grafted onto them after the fact, so that more than anything else is probably the most likely element of the comics to actually make it on the big screen. Especially since we already know they're forcing themselves to heavily re-write their basic story concept late in the game now that Kang Dynasty is being completely replaced by Doomsday.
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Grendelsbayne and Mage--you have no idea how cool it is to see a civilized discussion and friendly agreement on how we don't really know the future! No joke.
I agreed with everything in your post except this statement, which is in fact, egregiously wrong. (just thought you'd want to know)
Jonathan Hickman is a meticulous storyteller and nothing gets "grafted onto his stories after the fact". In reality, the incursions, the destructions of entire realities and the eventual multiversal war was the end result of setup from Hickman's entire run of New Avengers, which ran 33 issues. The incursions were set up in the very first scene, and were referenced in other Marvel books. The story also paid off elements from Hickman's run on Fantastic Four and some of his Ultimate Universe work. His story was pay-off to long-term and meticulous setup.
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Well I think that's basically how it should go, right?
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