Cage dosent really count (being a un-aired pilot/flashback) and IIRC his stripes never changed even though the dialogue did. More of an error or indecision than an actual promotion.
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Of course "The Cage" counts. It's considered part of the canon.
I disagree about The Cage counting since it was used in the regular production episode The Menagerie.
But for what it's worth he is wearing Commander's stripes in Tomorrow is Yesterday and is referred to in dialogue as a Lieutenant Commander. Perhaps it's customary for a first officer to wear full commander's stripes even if he doesn't hold the rank.
Yeah... that's the ticket!
That wouldn't make sense. A Commander or a Commodore or an Admiral wouldn't wear Captain's strips or pips if they were in command of a vessel even though it is customary to call them captain. Just ask Chief O'Brien.
Don't be so sure. Jim Kirk wore captain's stripes in Star Trek: The Motion Picture even though his stated rank was Admiral at the beginning of the film.
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We could be that as a costume error, because they called Valeris a Lieutenant even though she wore Lt Commander stripes and pin.
Its funny that the higher ranking officers get promotions but Reed, Sato, and Mayweather didn't get anything. It must have been politics.
Or it could be that they found some cardboard cutouts that were more deserving of promotion.
Those three did their fair share of the adventures, bravery, and heroics. Besides you would think that at least time in rank counts for something. So apparently in Starfleet you have to do something to achieve rank like save your ship, save a planet, or steal a starship and do the previous mentioned.
Then again that could backfire and you could be demoted yet receive a starship command.
Then again that could backfire and you could be demoted yet receive a starship command.
ENT was on for four years, yes, but the series covered ten years of story time by the end of the series.
We do not speak of that.
TOS gave out promotions, Sulu changed jobs, Spock was promoted like three times.
Was he? In which episodes did these promotions happen? Because he wore the same rank insignia in every episode of the series.
Spock's rank insignia changed. Wore one rank stripe in Where No Man Has Gone Before and two rank stripes in all the regular production episodes.
True, but what was his rank? Everyone except the Captain had a single stripe. Or was Kirk a Commander?
Spock's rank insignia changed. Wore one rank stripe in Where No Man Has Gone Before and two rank stripes in all the regular production episodes.
I'm guessing Spock was a Lieutenant in both pilots. The single stripe matches the one Number One wears and she is mentioned as a Lieutenant. Whether Kirk is a Commander or Captain is anyone's guess.
Though nothing is set in stone. I usually chalk it up to personal interpretation.
Though nothing is set in stone. I usually chalk it up to personal interpretation.
hah! even stuff set in stone was contradicted. James R Kirk...
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The thing I say when it comes to canon is you know you don't have to worry about it when the actual writers/creators of the show say don't worry about it and may even be at a loss as to what you're referring to when you mention some indiscrepancy in an episode.
I mean in a religion the clergy may call something heresy and call for your death if you dispute the church's canon.
The people that 'rule' Trek at any given time would likely laugh at you if you brought some of this stuff up.
I mean in a religion the clergy may call something heresy and call for your death if you dispute the church's canon.
The people that 'rule' Trek at any given time would likely laugh at you if you brought some of this stuff up.
As a fan of numerous Very Popular Things, i really resent that attitude. If anything, I tend to avoid overly-hyped media products. I actually avoided "Star Wars" until "The Empire Strikes Back" premiered (endless articles in "Starlog" wore me down, and I was mainly buying "Starlog" for ST: TMP and ST II news). I avoided seeing "Jaws" (too scary), "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" (until a rerelease), "E.T.: The Extraterrestrial" (until TV) and "Alien" (too scary) on the big screen, and had to revisit them on VHS to "catch up".
I'm certainly not a lemming, and had plenty of concerns and disappoints re ST V, "Generations", DS9, VOY and ENT. But I had faith in JJ and Bad Robot, based on their other successes, and they did exactly what they promised to do. No surprises.
Oh, and...
- I never listen to (c)rap music.
- I've liked some heavy metal, but don't seek it out.
- I like many sitcoms, but gave Friends a wide birth until about Season Three, and liked it enough to catch re-runs.
- I enjoy ENT and was often disappointed with early VOY.
- NuBSG did nothing for me. Neither did BSG.
I wasn't talking about Enterprise looking more advanced than TOS, or that it had a warp core or anything like that. What annoyed me was stuff like Romulans having cloaking devices as standard issue, despite it being a scary new technology in two TOS episodes. If they explained that Future Guy gave it them (as he did the Suliban, I always bevieved he was a Romulan attempting to alter the Romulan War), but that story was killed off before it really went anywhere.
Also: Meeting the Ferengi (although the episode was alright) when they explicitly said it was a first contact in TNG.
The biggest crime Enterprise commited was, of course, being mostly RUBBISH for the first two seasons (for example: "Fusion" - in space, for one hour, NOTHING HAPPENS). Season 3, when they did their "F-K the timeline it changed now" thing, and did the Xindi arc, was the best, IMO.
Also: Meeting the Ferengi (although the episode was alright) when they explicitly said it was a first contact in TNG.
The biggest crime Enterprise commited was, of course, being mostly RUBBISH for the first two seasons (for example: "Fusion" - in space, for one hour, NOTHING HAPPENS). Season 3, when they did their "F-K the timeline it changed now" thing, and did the Xindi arc, was the best, IMO.
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