Now that's well said.
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Sorry I just can't buy this. Your "style" of "criticism" is just too well known.
Nardpuncher
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I don't like the two tricks you used here.
1: If we liked it we're kids.
2: That we were just happy to get any Trek, and were unable to see that it was apparently bad because we were so happy to have some more.
I don't think that's going to happen so soon after the first JJ Abrams Star Trek movie. This is why I think that: We all know that admirals don't get to go on space missions ery often, they usually have a cushy desk job on Earth, on a space station, or some Federation outpost. Admirals do the ordering, the captains and below do their bidding. Itwould be a very boring movie if they made Kirk an admiral in the second Trek movie.
I don't think that's going to happen so soon after the first JJ Abrams Star Trek movie. This is why I think that: We all know that admirals don't get to go on space missions very often, they usually have a cushy desk job on Earth, on a space station, or some Federation outpost. Admirals do the ordering, the captains and below do their bidding. It would be a very boring movie if they made Kirk an admiral in the second Trek movie.
Nardpuncher
Rear Admiral
You have nice continuity in your posts.
That was exactly the message I got - all bets are off - and it felt a little too blustery for me -- ie, it felt like they were over-compensating, choosing to do this thing not for story reasons, not for compelling drama, but moreso to say "this ain't your daddy's star trek! in your face!" to go all rebel-rebel and spit in the eye of something that actually WORKED for the series to gain a kind of freedom that they could have felt they had regardless.... Again, perhaps there was another way to have done it that would have felt less 'sacrilegious' and actually 'out of the film' though I have to say the Amanda moment had me enjoyably gutted, so its not all complaints here! As it happened, it just didn't feel like the greatest story choice, full stop. That, and I cried for the possibly unborn Tuvok (just kidding... sorta).
I guess ultimately my gripe here isn't "is it canon or not" but simply, is it rewarding to me story-wise to have this 'troubled child' thing happen - is this a strong story-telling choice or is it not. Clearly, I thought it was a weak choice - seemed to me a kind of Luke Skywalker/James Dean-lite, but I do appreciate what they were trying to do with the Spock/Kirk orphans parallel thing - just a little ham-fisted/overly melodramatic/trite in my opinion. But having said that, the attack on the Kelvin and the death of George Kirk in the opening scene was definitely the highlight of the film to me.
I haven't read those Carey novels, but they are on my list!
The promotion thing is even more odd/forced to me - and is one of the things that did kind of leave me right at the end of the film feeling like my intelligence was being neglected! Though perhaps this will grow on me and/or fade from memory - I mean I do want to see the adventures of Captain Kirk, the great leader after all, not Ensign Kirk. But I am not necessarily decrying any of these things in particular for defying any sort of established canon per se. Nor am I personally having a stroke - this is Star Trek, it brings me pleasure to varying degrees, that's all!
And I'm sure you're right, so in some ways my complaints about ST09 are my same complaints with mainstream film in general these days -- eye candy and breathless kinetic visuals trump story, ideas, imagination, and a sense of wonder every time, and that's just a commercial reality when trying to get people into a theater. So I can't realistically blame the new creators for their decision... but I can blame society!
This just highlights to me how after so many years, and with such a paltry budget, the original series is so enduring - clearly not for its production value, but for its heart and soul. Sometimes greater limits make for greater art. Hopefully some of that can still find its way into a mega-millions blockbuster again.
i thought Trek 09 was a flying pile of crap not because it violated continuity but because the story was shit and i FUCKING HATE LENS FLARES! AND BREWERY ENGINE ROOMS!
the characters were ok. the ship was too huge though.
the characters were ok. the ship was too huge though.
Yep. But if you say that to the film's fans they'll say you're just trying to rationalize your predisposed hate for the film.
^ I'm a huge fan of the film and I'd never say that. Those are both thoroughly valid reasons to be annoyed at the movie. I just disagree with them.
Demonization of people that disagree with you on the internet is really easy, and always cheap. There's probably someone who would post something like what you suggest, but certainly not all of "the film's fans" fall into that category.
Demonization of people that disagree with you on the internet is really easy, and always cheap. There's probably someone who would post something like what you suggest, but certainly not all of "the film's fans" fall into that category.
There's plenty of them around here that do. Just take a stroll through the Trek XI forum, it's littered with the remains of those who dared to challenge the notion that this was THE GREATEST STAR TREK EVENT EVAH!!
Which is why they're gonna leapfrog past all that admiral nonsense and just appoint him Federation President. For life.
For god's sake man, learn to use the multi quote tool or begin to edit your posts when you have something more to say, the ability to edit a post doesn't stop a minute or two after you've posted!
Yep. But if you say that to the film's fans they'll say you're just trying to rationalize your predisposed hate for the film.
In all honesty, given on you what post and ideas, I would say they were correct.
Of course, Kirk would not make Admiral in the next especially when that poster was sarcastic.
I hope in the next movie, Kirk and Spock will get thrown back in time to 21st Century and beat up nerds who love this show call Space Journey because Space Journey XI did not fit in their personal canon of Space Journey: The First Show in which their opinion was the only Space Journey, because Space Journey: Hundred Years Later, Space Journey: Space Station Five, Space Journey: Pathfinder, and the critically acclaimed Space Journey: First Journey. Sometimes people say that Space Journey: The Anime Series is not canon, but recently Big Time Studios put them out on Blu-Ray, so its ok now.
^Yeah, but is AstroQuest Redux ever going to air? 
Nah, they give as good as they get and can dig their heels with the same resolve as their opponents. Very few of which have ever said "THE GREATEST STAR TREK EVENT EVAH!!" The head spinning, spittle flinging "critics" are fun to watch, though. Their points would probably be taken more seriously if they were not so firmly mired in hysteria, hyperbole and ad hominem.
^Yeah, but is AstroQuest Redux ever going to air?
The studio heads want a complete reboot, while the writers and the director that was originally hired, disagreed, so AstroQuest II: The Search for Delta Vega was cancelled. Right now AstroQuests in pre-production.
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