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Blade Runner: the franchise

Steve Roby

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There are a few old threads about specific aspects and developments around Blade Runner, but maybe just having one general thread, at least when there's no really current, really big story might work.

Anyway... over the last couple of days I've worked my way through the thirteen (so far) trade paperback collections of Titan's various Blade Runner comic miniseries. That's nine volumes about the new character Ash (2019, 2029, and 2039), three of Origins, and one of Black Lotus. The first couple issues of Tokyo Nexus are out and will be collected eventually, and there should be more Black Lots as well. And what a read. I've read a fair number of issues as they came out but this is a better experience.

The weakest so far is Black Lotus, following on from the anime TV series with a fairly generic story that swipes from westerns and Mad Max, as Elle heads into the desert after leaving LA. It's not actively bad but with just one four issue arc it doesn't get to go as deep into plot or character as the others do. The Ash series is really good, following the character arc of someone who starts out as another cynical blade runner but sees her life change dramatically. She even gets to spend some time in the offworld colonies. And we get to see the world of the first movie gradually becoming the world of the second. Origins is a somewhat twisty tale that centres on the issue of identity -- a cop from the slums seen as a traitor to his roots, a character whose consciousness was duplicated against her will and placed in a replicant body, a trans character who built the body they always thought they should have, an ex-soldier turned drag queen. Characters' loyalties and sense of themselves change too. There's a lot to keep track of, as characters are introduced some time before it's made clear who they really are.

The comics draw on the full history of the Blade Runner movies, with the occasional guest character from the movies, one crossover character from the Black Lotus anime series popping up in one of the other comics, and a bit of crossover between Origins and the Ash stories as well. Someone's making an effort to develop a consistent and coherent fictional universe that relates to all the filmed Blade Runner material. Is it canon? Does it matter? By telling stories mainly about new characters, they're pretty close to free from worries of being overwritten. If you like the BR filmed universe as a whole and haven't tried the comics, you're missing out.
 
I’ve sort of drifted away, but I was surprised when the Ash series established about the Offworld Colonies that
they’re quite extensive—I think it said something like a hundred systems? Which seems a lot for something still set in even Blade Runner’s 21st century!
 
I tried watching the first episode of Black Lotus and lost interest. The character animation is startlingly bad; when I was watching it, I wondered if it was from the early 2000s or something, but it's from 2021-2, so there's no excuse for the characters' faces being so static and expressionless. The story seemed generic, and the first episode ended inexplicably on a completely suspenseless, non-cliffhanger moment. I didn't bother watching any more.

The weird thing is that Crunchyroll only has the Japanese audio and the Spanish dub. Since it was from American writers and set in LA, I wanted to watch it in English, but that version wasn't available. Just as well I lost interest.

I’ve sort of drifted away, but I was surprised when the Ash series established about the Offworld Colonies that
they’re quite extensive—I think it said something like a hundred systems? Which seems a lot for something still set in even Blade Runner’s 21st century!

I think it's always been the clear implication in both movies that the offworld colonies are numerous and thriving compared to the declining Earth. Earth is home to the people left behind because they couldn't afford to go somewhere better. It's never made sense chronologically that we'd advance that much between 1982 and 2019, especially once the sequel came out in 2017, but it's always been implied.

But then, it's an idea from the original 1968 novel. In the early years of the Space Age, when we were making such rapid progress toward landing on the Moon, it was commonly believed that the rapid expansion into space would continue and we'd have a large interplanetary presence by the '80s or '90s -- even interstellar in fiction that ignored realistic distances and travel times. By 1982, though, it was already kind of an outdated notion.
 
I tried watching the first episode of Black Lotus and lost interest.
I'm not too thrilled with it. I'm glad it exists, because it expands a little on what life is like in Blade Runner's LA, but it's just too edgy grimdark. No real character development but lots of violence. There's violence throughout the franchise but in the movies and in the Ash comics there's eventually some sense of hope or redemption. Black Lotus doesn't really do that, as I recall. Elle finds out who she is, gets some revenge, and that's about it.

Once I got used to the animation style I found it actually doesn't look too bad; Ghost in the Shell SAC 2045 took longer to get used to, imho. There's nice bits of continuity to other parts of the franchise. But the score is kind of just there and the pop songs over the end credits don't feel like they fit. Ultimately it's an interesting attempt at building up to the world of BR 2049 that isn't as good as I'd hoped it would be. Still, if they put it out on blu ray, I'd buy it.
 
I got through the entire run of Black Lotus...and I'd be hard pressed to remember much about it.
I didn't think much of it for the most part.
 
Okay, you've both reassured me that I made the right choice giving up on Black Lotus. Disappointing -- when the makers of Cowboy Bebop and Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex get together, you expect better.
 
I'd recommend giving a couple more episodes a try at some point, for two reasons: not everyone agrees on what's good, and sometimes it takes more than one episode to get what a show is doing. But the rest of this show isn't much different in tone from the first episode. And I don't remember the show ever getting any of the heart or occasional humour of either Cowboy Bebop or GitS:SAC. To be fair, though, there aren't many shows as good as those two at their best.
 
I think it's always been the clear implication in both movies that the offworld colonies are numerous and thriving compared to the declining Earth. Earth is home to the people left behind because they couldn't afford to go somewhere better. It's never made sense chronologically that we'd advance that much between 1982 and 2019, especially once the sequel came out in 2017, but it's always been implied.

But then, it's an idea from the original 1968 novel. In the early years of the Space Age, when we were making such rapid progress toward landing on the Moon, it was commonly believed that the rapid expansion into space would continue and we'd have a large interplanetary presence by the '80s or '90s -- even interstellar in fiction that ignored realistic distances and travel times. By 1982, though, it was already kind of an outdated notion.
All true — except I believe it’s stated in dialogue in Blade Runner 2049 that humanity has only settled nine planets, and the Ash comics are set earlier than that. Unless the idea is that all the others aren’t settled, just the equivalents of oil rigs or whatever.
 
I'd recommend giving a couple more episodes a try at some point, for two reasons: not everyone agrees on what's good, and sometimes it takes more than one episode to get what a show is doing.

If "No real character development but lots of violence" is accurate, then that settles it for me. Besides, I already cancelled Crunchyroll so I could add another streamer in its place.
 
I've been watching it again. If the story had focused on Detective Alani Davis trying to make sense of everything from the outside, I think it would have worked better, because she's the only one who seems to be trying to think through what's going on, instead of relying on being impulsive, violent, or moody.
 
I still wish they’d provide an in-universe explanation for why on earth they’re called Blade Runners (yes, I know the real-life reason)…
 
I still wish they’d provide an in-universe explanation for why on earth they’re called Blade Runners (yes, I know the real-life reason)…

I always figured it was a poetic term for an assassin. Of course, they generally use guns, but the "blade" part might be meant to evoke a sword-wielding warrior, to make it sound nobler than it is.
 
I'm assuming the anime & comics treat the Blade Runner universe as separate from the Alien universe?
 
As they should. Easter eggs (and re-used graphics) aside, they are separate universes.
 
Neither Blade Runner nor Alien was created by Ridley Scott, so it's not his place to say they're the same universe.
 
I've often heard that the 1998 Kurt Russell film Soldier is meant to take place in the Blade Runner universe; they have screenwriter David Peoples in common, and there are some Easter egg references to BR backstory elements. I don't think I ever saw it, though, and apparently it has a poor reputation.
 
Neither Blade Runner nor Alien was created by Ridley Scott, so it's not his place to say they're the same universe.
Alien wasn't created by Ridley Scott?
I know Blade Runner was based on the Phillip K. Dick book, but he does seem to be the one in controlling the movies.
 
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