Spoilers Andor - Season 2
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Yes, it is. First and foremost. If adults can get something out of it, that's great, but the target audience for Star Wars is now and always has been younger audiences.
Yet we have andor which is targeted at adults.
Starwars is a large franchis and there is room for all.
If one wants the fluffy kids stuff then just watch the fluffy kids stuff.
Yes, quite.
We also have at least two generations of fans who came into the franchise as children, who are still ardent fans, but who are now adults, many who are well over that line, and accordingly generally have different expectations regarding the media they consume, from what they had when they were children.
Adding adult-oriented depth is a remarkable experiment that I believe has been overwhelmingly successful, even if somehow not uniformly so.
I will also say there is a huge difference between say the rape scenes in game of thrones and Andor.
Game of thrones they were explicit and also many were there purely for tacky shock value.
Andor there was a very good narrative point of showing how power can be abused by men especially in a society with no due process and little oversight or accountability for bureaucrat's, law enforcement officers and military officers. A sad reality in this world even in non fascists areas. A point that actually if we are honest should be taught as a warning to older children.
Game of thrones they were explicit and also many were there purely for tacky shock value.
Andor there was a very good narrative point of showing how power can be abused by men especially in a society with no due process and little oversight or accountability for bureaucrat's, law enforcement officers and military officers. A sad reality in this world even in non fascists areas. A point that actually if we are honest should be taught as a warning to older children.
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Ah classic old "It's okay when the EU did it, but terrible when Disney does it. FIRE KENNEDY! FILONI IS A SOCIALIST!" schtick.
I see what you did there.
Not sure how the narrative was poor.
Part of the show is about showing the oppression of the empire in everyday lives.
An imperial officer taking advantage of and sexually exploiting a woman in a vulnerable position clearly fits that narrative.
It was a clear display of unfettered and unrestricted power in one of its most grotesque forms.
Selective editing of my words changes the meaning.
I said the narrative use of it was poor. Not that the narrative was poor.
The Empire is bad and stuff is a given, and the oppression is a clear aspect. The sexual assault doesn't add to any knowledge for the audience. It feels like doubling down on a character who has already been tortured. It smacks of unnecessary cruelty that doesn't add new information.
This is like saying that we need a rape scene in a New Hope to know the Empire is bad. It goes over a line that smacks of complete shock value.
"I wish you were drunk" Dear lord Gilroy's good (and kudos to both actors).
Well those first three episodes were brilliant, even if I'm amazed that Tie stayed in one piece!
Best bit has to be Mon Mothma's disco breakdown. O'Reilly really is phenomenal.
And that dinner party
that scene so shouldn't have worked but it was perfect.
Well those first three episodes were brilliant, even if I'm amazed that Tie stayed in one piece!
Best bit has to be Mon Mothma's disco breakdown. O'Reilly really is phenomenal.
And that dinner party
that scene so shouldn't have worked but it was perfect.
That was kind of the point.......
Unnecessary cruelty is kind of a hallmark of facist regimes.
As for a new hope. That dealt with larger more macro scale evil.
The point of andor which you seem to be missing is to show on a personal level the "smaller" scale evil that is common to facist regimes. It is meant to parallel the empire to regimes such as nazi Germany or even the growing facist policies of the trump regime.
No, not missing the point at all. Questioning the narrative tool used, that is all.
I thought Season 1 was more effective in conveying this idea.
Personally, since women are raped and sexually assaulted all the time and it's almost never mentioned in most adventure fiction, I was pleased to see it there AND to see it from the woman's point of view. I also liked seeing Bix trying to pacify and calm him before anything got too far, something we all learn to do.
What adventure fiction have you been watching?
Palpatine's Empire is a brutal dictatorship where prison slave labor is used to create components for the Empire and inmates are electrocuted (sometimes to death) if they fall short and underperform. The Imperial military abusing women for sexual gratification is on-brand for a dictatorship that grants its military apparatus so much power and freedom of behavior.
Normally the only thing that gets raped in Star Wars is someone's childhood.
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