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Spoilers Andor - Season 2
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It's really getting annoying at this point. It's not like the Star Wars timeline is particularly hard to figure out. We're not talking X-Men here!
Maybe anyone writing for the franchise should be forced to work underneath a large sign showing the timeline and text in large block letters: "WHEN GOING INTO A CHARACTER'S BACKSTORY PLEASE CONSULT THIS DOCUMENT. THE EMPIRE WAS NOT AROUND AS LONG AS YOU SEEM TO THINK."
"I believe I owe you an apology, Syril. Your work exceeds all expectations."
"...And you'll tell Uncle Harlow as much?"
"I will tell him his patience with your misadventures has been rewarded with a career that will bring a steady paycheck to your aged mother."
This isn't a continuity error. It would be a continuity error if she was shown being raised in an Imperial orphanage, and thus the actual facts in evidence being incorrect, but her SAYING she was is not a continuity error when it's pretty clearly an intentional choice of the character in universe to tell a falsehood. It's your Imperial tax dollars at work. Otherwise known as lying, sometimes gaslighting, or simply revisionist history.
Dedra is a hardcore Imperial loyalist. She's not just ISB for the paycheck, she lives and breathes what the Empire is putting down.
From her perspective, the Republic was a corrupt, failed state that Palpatine rescued from itself and restored to good order. And it is her literal job to safeguard the Empire and see it's institutions prosper, even if that means lying to, detaining, or killing folks. She's not going to give credit to a Republic institution when she could give it to an Imperial one. It's better propaganda.
Dedra's dialogue is her REWRITING the past the same way the Empire has repeatedly tried to (see also: The Jedi Order). It's deliberate, intentional, systematic and, ultimately, malicious. Not a continuity error, rather tyranny.
Eedy is really Rey's grandmother, and Syril is Rey's half-uncle. Emperor Palpatine was so traumatized by the experience that he later claimed that Rey's father was a clone created on Exegol. "Uncle Harlo" is a fake criminal identity that the Emperor utilizes when he wants dirty stuff done (unknown even to Dedra as the identity is falsified as real even in ISB files) and when Eedy is calling in favors from "Uncle Harlo" she's really calling in favors from the Emperor in return for keeping her affair with him secret.
They should have a scene where Dedra is whistling or humming the Imperial march in her free time in an elevator or something.
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The guy on the Star Wars Theory YT channel is such a whiny bitch. His pearl clutching over the attempted rape of Bix is pretty lame and laughable and he even says it's okay to depict attempted rape in the books, just not right to show onscreen.
hold on, is Dedra, Syril and his Mom eating the floating egg-things Grogu loved so much too?
We can look into his Mom's eyes and see the bloodlust in them. She'd eat all the Frog Lady eggs.
Jedi are evil.
Insane. It's not like they showed an actual full-on rape. We're not talking Jodie Foster here. That guy needs to get a grip and maybe go outside once in a while.
What good is a falsehood if it can be easily fact-checked by the listener on the spot by doing simple math in their head? Gaslighting is orwell and good but are we supposed to think that Imperial citizens are so beaten down that they no longer actually remember how long the Empire's been around?
For whatever it's worth this is how the OS puts it: "Dedra grew up in what would later be named an Imperial kinderblock".
Speaking of continuity errors...
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The double standard is BS but I do agree that the attempted rape is too far in Star Wars.
This happens all the time in real life, either by simple confusion or by more sinister attempts to discredit political opponents by associating them with policiy failures. Look at the recent American election, where people referenced "four years ago" in 2024 as meaning 2019 and not 2020. I've seen politicians imply Barack Obama was president during 9/11, and a liberal commentator once excoriated Biden for botching the coronavirus lockdowns while crediting Tump with the smooth distribution of the first vaccines; you didn't even need to do math for that one, just remember what order events came in.
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Well, for starters, repeat a lie loudly and often enough and the truth largely loses relevance. As our current times prove on the regular.
But, that's actually what makes this kind of thing so insidious. Call her out on it and you risk not only being accused of being rude, but of being disloyal to the Empire. By an Imperial ISB agent.
But if you don't call it out? You're not only normalizing the lie, but training yourself to treat it as truth. Or close enough to work. Over time, it actually WILL make people forget how long the Empire has actually been around. The lie becomes the truth. History is rewritten.
Andor is clearly marketed toward adults and given a higher age rating.
There is plenty of light fluffy star wars stuff for kids to watch instead.
Part of Andor is to show life under a oppressive and fascist regime. Rape and sexual exploitation is and always has been an element to such evil regimes
Also with the rise in people like Andrew Tate and the rise in violence against women. Maybe we should portray such acts more and stop brushing them under the carpet. If it makes people uncomfortable then good, it should. Such horrific things happen and soceity should stop hiding from it and potray it as the evil that it is.
But it isn't just Dedra. Cassian, Luthen, Skeen, Dedra -- all of them have pasts that don't fit the timeline if the relevant lines of dialogue are taken literally.
I deal with the consequences of it as a mental health counselor. I'm not telling anyone to hide from it but I'll question it in what is constantly called a "kid's franchise."
Convenient defense until it isn't.
Perhaps the dialog shouldn’t be taken literally but as the characters own perception of the past. If Dedra spent the bulk of her childhood in what would become an Imperial kinder block, from her perspective that’s where she was raised.
Its not a kids franchise. It is a franchise for everyone with a variety of media suitable for diffrent age groups.
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