It’s understandable—it’d be “nicer” if the farmer didn’t rather them out, and Brasso’s last act was protecting a loyal friend. One doesn’t want the farmer to have turned. But alas…
Spoilers Andor - Season 2
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Weird possible speculative prediction about Dedra and Syril (probably won’t happen, but just in case):
Something I could see happening, based on Dedra “not wanting” Ghorman: Despite her entire basically Hitler Youth upbringing and demeanor, at the end of the day she doesn’t actually want to be responsible for what becomes the Ghorman Massacre, and tries to subtly sabotage it. Whereupon Syril turns her in, without much hesitation or regret. Mother is so proud, and victorious.
Denise Gough said in interviews that Dedra's not really able to have a true relationship because "her true boyfriend is the Empire" or something like that. Which doesn't really line up with what you're predicting in your post--if anything, it seems like Dedra will turn on Syril if he gets in the way of her Imperial loyalties.
Yeah, probably true. Just thought it might make an interesting reversal to have Syril turn out to be the colder one at the end of the day.
I wonder if that means we're going to see Dodonna since he's leading the Massassi Group in Rebels.
It's not "nicer", it's what happened. You're being willfully ignorant to insist otherwise.
They were okay episodes but the stories did drag a bit. I get where that wedding story was going in episode one. Didn’t need three episodes about it.
The Bix rumor I heard was somewhat true. It’s still a weird thing to add to a Star Wars show. This isn’t Game of Thrones.
The Bix rumor I heard was somewhat true. It’s still a weird thing to add to a Star Wars show. This isn’t Game of Thrones.
I think it's pretty clear from their dynamic that Syrill is more of a pet or houseplant than an actual boyfriend.
Ian McElhinney probably wouldn't be a difficult get, so I'd say chances are high. Though I think General Draven is even more likely, given he's going to be Cassian's direct superior in Rebel Intelligence.
I found the first few episodes boring with serious passing issues.
The production, special effects etc looked great on the up side.
I was bored watching the first season too, the trailer made it look more exciting than the first season but I found it meh. It might get better.
****Gonna talk on spoilers
The attempted rape scene whilst not graphic was a bit disturbing for a Star Wars show. I acknowledge there was some border line creepy stuff in return of the Jedi involving Jabba and Leia. So it's not new territory but not on the same level. Not sure how I feel about it tbh. Star Wars has always had cinema style violence, nothing too graphic always PG level.
Guess violence is suggested in the title as it is Star Wars.
In the introduction of Darth Vader we have him physically strangling a man for information, and he murders him in cold blood. In ROTS we have the newly christened Darth Vader murder children.
So it might be hypercritical to accept one level of violent acts over another.
The production, special effects etc looked great on the up side.
I was bored watching the first season too, the trailer made it look more exciting than the first season but I found it meh. It might get better.
****Gonna talk on spoilers
The attempted rape scene whilst not graphic was a bit disturbing for a Star Wars show. I acknowledge there was some border line creepy stuff in return of the Jedi involving Jabba and Leia. So it's not new territory but not on the same level. Not sure how I feel about it tbh. Star Wars has always had cinema style violence, nothing too graphic always PG level.
Guess violence is suggested in the title as it is Star Wars.
In the introduction of Darth Vader we have him physically strangling a man for information, and he murders him in cold blood. In ROTS we have the newly christened Darth Vader murder children.
So it might be hypercritical to accept one level of violent acts over another.
i struggled with season 1. Really slow pacing. And yet i liked DS9 season 1 and that is also quite slow paced.
First episode of Andor season 2 was also very slow. Please tell me it picks up.
First episode of Andor season 2 was also very slow. Please tell me it picks up.
I found it very slow to get the plot moving.
Some may find it intriguing as it has political allegory throughout. Had some action. But was mainly world building.
Just suggest you try it yourself. Read many comments on YouTube on fan reactions and Easter egg type of videos, people seem to be taken with it. Seeing a lot of comments saying “Peak Star Wars!”
Even if hypothetically the farmer did rat them out, there's no reason the officer leading the inspection would necessarily know that. The Empire likely has something like a hotline or something set up for snitches to get in contact with them and report on matters they feel the Empire needs to know about. Whoever is responsible for taking those reports then sends it up the chain, and the superiors then tell the inspection teams in the field where to go. The officer is just responding to the orders he's given, and it's unlikely his superiors gave him the full details of "this farmer to us..." since those details would be irrelevant to the team's mandate.
When the team did show up, Brasso decided to take a chance that by accusing the farmer of betraying them, the officer will shrug with "ah, he's the snitch. Good man, we're done here."
Well, that's just it. This is a franchise where we see people getting strangled to death, children being slaughtered and even a live person's entire body being burned to the point of mutilation. Toss in the fact we've had characters keeping scantily clad slave girls (and don't delude yourself into believing there was nothing sexual going on there) and there's been at least one depiction of spousal abuse onscreen in one of the movies. Factoring in all this, does an attempted rape really seem out of place in this world?
We even saw such a hotline in the first season when Timm Karlo ratted out Cassian...and then promptly was shot by an officer who had no idea he was an informant.
While "rape" isn't a word, or even a concept, that I ever expected to come up in a Star Wars production, such behavior is not out of step for a universe that has depicted genocide, torture and the murder of children. As for the scene itself, It was tense and dramatic and it's implications were clear, but I don't feel that it was too graphic or any more violent than any other fight scene from the franchise.
Yep, that sounds pretty accurate!
There was a conversation, I think it was in the first Alphabet Squadron novel, where two characters talk about the pervasiveness of Imperial propaganda, with an older one who remembered the Republic talking to a younger character who grew up under the Empire, asking if they'd ever noticed how strange it was that they learned in school that the Jedi were an obscure band of traitorous charlatans who were ancient history, but when their older siblings and parents talked about the Jedi, it was with genuine venom like they'd been the ones wronged sometime in living memory.
One of the comments on Episodic Medium had an amazing take on Syril and Dedra's relationship:
John Thompson said:
It's not really relevant to this discussion at this moment, but another comment there did give me an opening to talk about what I think is the key moment in Andor that makes the whole show (including Rogue One as part of the series) tie together cohesively. I won't repost the whole thing here, but since there was some debate on the moment earlier in the thread; Rewatch the end of "Daughter of Ferrix." There's practically a giant neon sign on-screen telling you that Cassian was thinking about Marva when he died.
I did not get that vibe at all honestly, and quite frankly many real life wives and girlfriends don't have the initiative to verbally cut down the cruel mothers of their men, many if not all of such mothers who really should have had it coming a LONG time before that.
I saw a few comments on reddit from male viewers saying they wished their wives/gfs did that with their mom, I think we got a sudden wave of relationship disappointment from a lot of male viewers who watched Andor.
Out of place in the world?
No.
But, I really struggle with the whole "this is a kid's franchise" thrown out for other objections to other works but that this show is allowed to push the line because...Peak.
So, it's presentation gives me strong pause. And I would say the same with some other media too.
There should have been a disclaimer before the episode honestly (maybe there was and I missed it). I do know one was hastily added into the series premiere of Kenobi due to a recent mass shooting I believe.
Now that the shock of Andor has settled in, in retrospect there HAS been indirect mentions of r*** in Star Wars Legends before, in prose works. A woman is mentioned as being attacked in Shatterpoint but they don't use the word. In Tales of the Bounty Hunters, after Jabba strips Leia he sends her to Boba Fett to r*** her and Leia swears she'll die fighting instead, but Boba doesn't even try because he cites his code of honor that forbids such atrocities (a code that strangely resurfaced in all things in his canon counterpart's bizarre tv show, although obviously that show didn't mention r***).
With that Boba story now non-canon, I shudder to think if Leia was attacked now in the new canon offscreen when she was enslaved.
Also, I'm guessing this scene was why Andor needed the much speculated intimacy coordinator for?
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