A special talk with Naomi...
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Voyager conspiracy #1: Why were tricobalt devices added to Voyager's armament?
Voyager conspiracy #2: Why was Harry Kim undeserving of promotion?
Voyager conspiracy #3: Concealing Naomi's origin from Naomi?
Come to think of it, wasn't the coverup of the Ensign Jetal incident also a conspiracy?
Voyager conspiracy #2: Why was Harry Kim undeserving of promotion?
Voyager conspiracy #3: Concealing Naomi's origin from Naomi?
Come to think of it, wasn't the coverup of the Ensign Jetal incident also a conspiracy?
A bit off topic, but could it be that Kim was involved in the salamander babies story being spread?
Would he even know? Chakotay zapped them, Tuvok verified that it was them, and the EMH fixed them... and I'm sure they and the two former salamanders all agreed never to speak of this again.
I'm sure that if Seven had continued looking for more conspiracies, the Ensign Jetal incident would have come up.
And one night when Tom was very drunk, he mentioned it to his best friend Harry, who just couldn't keep it to himself... (But in the episode, no I don't think Harry knew.)
So if it was Tom's fault... why did he get bumped back to lieutenant? Shouldn't they both have been forever ensigns?
But hey, I understand. Since there's no rational explanation for Harry's 7-year ensignhood, people have to come up with irrational ones.
Interesting that you bring up the Kobali…
in my mind, they could be the race that “made” the Borg queen, seeing as how the Borg reconstituted Alice Krige’s Alpha Queen and Susanna Thompson’s Beta Queen “time and again”… the Kobali had similar markings to the Queens. Maybe the Borg assimilated the Kobali’s Ressurection Tech…
Because Tom's dad was Janeway's mentor? Because Tom did a lot of extra things to contribute to the ship like retraining as a medic? None of this convinces me that Harry should have been promoted, more that perhaps Tom shouldn't have been.
I love that theory.
Given that there are two active topics on the subject of Harry's pip count, I'll leave that to one of them. I'm not fond of being admonished by the moderators... but I REALLY hate it when they're right.
Regarding telling Naomi... I see it happening when she's old enough to understand two things:
1. It doesn't matter, and never did, for reasons I previously stated.
2. Yes, it's weird. But as Janeway said to Harry (who was similarly affected) shortly after the incident: "weird is part of the job".
Regarding telling Naomi... I see it happening when she's old enough to understand two things:
1. It doesn't matter, and never did, for reasons I previously stated.
2. Yes, it's weird. But as Janeway said to Harry (who was similarly affected) shortly after the incident: "weird is part of the job".
Fair enough. I just wouldn't tell her, because it doesn't matter. Both Naomis were the "real" Naomi, but one went on to form memories and exist, and the other didn't. Either way, Naomi was born and lived a life.
Mm hm; while the question was raised, it was also - to the best of my knowledge - never answered to anyone's satisfaction.
That assumes she is part of "the job" by this unknown point in time.; "Shattered" was one possibility among many.
"The Autobiography of Kathryn Janeway" has a forward by her as well; she's a Starfleet commander. It's non-canon, of course, but presents some good ideas that canon could build on someday.
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Susanna Thompson and Alice Krige are playing the same character.
I never considered them to be the exact same queen, it just works better if you think of it as a hierarchy of queens, Alice being the boss. Susanna being number two, Also, what does that make Jurati? I don’t think the Queen shown in season two of Picard was the same queen either, and that queen merged with Jurati.
But then Alice came back for season three (or at least her voice did), if not her actual face.
I just don’t see the queens as being carbon cut outs of each other, even between Alices in First Contact and Endgame and The Last Generation, there are severe differences in how she plays each of those queens. The same thing with Susannah appearances.
The Borg must have the genetic material on ice somewhere so that they can pop the duplicates out on Queue, but it just doesn’t work for me if they are all supposed to be Alice. And the Alice queen was in charge of the trans warp hub, I would imagine that the other five trans warp hubs were Queened by Alice’s.
I know fans really want the whole system to be redundant, but there's only one Borg Queen. Evidence in Picard and comments from writers notwithstanding, even in Voyager this is acknowledged as such. She's called THE Borg Queen, not A Queen. Admiral Janeway talks about having many encounters with THE Queen, not Queens plural. First Contact made the Queen's reappearance in Voyager completely unsurprising given they left a backdoor for this with the retcon that her body was destroyed previously aboard the cube in BoBW, yet the same character, with the same face, personality, memories, and continuity of consciousness appears before Picard in the movie. Alice played the Queen again in Endgame because Susanna was an actor swap much like all the different Spocks and Kirks, and the actors interpret the roles slightly differently.
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