She was living with her mom and going to daycare or school while Samantha worked. And her memory was wiped as well.
A special talk with Naomi...
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Probably a vocational school operated by the complex, teaching kids how to operate/fix the machinery.
Agent K, is that you?
I've always just thought of the Queen as an avatar for the Collective in any case (or, perhaps at times, a facilitator), and I ignore cases where that view would seem to be challenged. The different queens look different because they're intended to serve different purposes.
That said, I still think TPTB missed an opportunity by not introducing a Borg King to interact with characters in situations where a male presence might have better served the Collective's purposes.
There are a lot of cases where your view is challenged. Like almost every case.
I dunno, then why was 7-of-9 in that alcove, you never saw any other drones with semi permanent connections. I think she was being prepped to be “a” Queen. That would explain BetaSuzannaQueens extensive interest in Seven.
Why does every cube have a Queencell? Alice Queen would have been busy, duplicating herself for every cube.
it’s just easier to believe there was more than one Queen model. Just like there are different types of Camaros. I’m just going by what happened during Voyager, I don’t know about any of the billions of trek books written. Obviously the Alice model was delegated to deal with Locutuses and transwarp hubs et al, Suzannas were for dealing with Voyager. It’s however you want, I think there was more than one Queen, and they were all “the” queen.
But my original point was not about which actress played “a” or “the” queen, it was about the method used to keep resurrecting them, which may have been Cobali’s method. And both Alice and Suzanna were blown into tiny μScopic chunks, Alice was even waporized twice, 4 times if you include the Queenmonster from Picard S3. And it still does not explain JuratiQueen. I hope they get back to JuratiQueen, she was rather interesting.
as far as Spocks, Kelvin timeline Spock perfectly mirrored Nimoy Spock. Kirks? Sometimes I think of pine, sometimes I think of shatner. Sometimes I think of Vic from St: Continues. But we had some definite alternate timelines happening there.
as far as Naomi in Workforce, I was just thinking about that. Maybe they wrote some thing that addressed that issue, but there simply wasn’t time to put it into the episode. Which is usually what happens when there is some hanging thread that isn’t completely resolved…
Why does every cube have a Queencell? Alice Queen would have been busy, duplicating herself for every cube.
it’s just easier to believe there was more than one Queen model. Just like there are different types of Camaros. I’m just going by what happened during Voyager, I don’t know about any of the billions of trek books written. Obviously the Alice model was delegated to deal with Locutuses and transwarp hubs et al, Suzannas were for dealing with Voyager. It’s however you want, I think there was more than one Queen, and they were all “the” queen.
But my original point was not about which actress played “a” or “the” queen, it was about the method used to keep resurrecting them, which may have been Cobali’s method. And both Alice and Suzanna were blown into tiny μScopic chunks, Alice was even waporized twice, 4 times if you include the Queenmonster from Picard S3. And it still does not explain JuratiQueen. I hope they get back to JuratiQueen, she was rather interesting.
as far as Spocks, Kelvin timeline Spock perfectly mirrored Nimoy Spock. Kirks? Sometimes I think of pine, sometimes I think of shatner. Sometimes I think of Vic from St: Continues. But we had some definite alternate timelines happening there.
as far as Naomi in Workforce, I was just thinking about that. Maybe they wrote some thing that addressed that issue, but there simply wasn’t time to put it into the episode. Which is usually what happens when there is some hanging thread that isn’t completely resolved…
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Seven wasn't being groomed to be Queen, she was the Borg Queen's favorite drone.
The Borg Queen stuff isn't really that complicated. There's an entity known as "The Borg Queen" that has existed for centuries, per dialogue in First Contact and Picard S3. She exists within the Collective and constructs bodies for herself when she needs to manifest; we see this happen multiple times. In Voyager, the Queen commands the Borg from her personal chambers within the Unicomplex, which is essentially Borg HQ.
By the time of Voyager, there's little left to the imagination when it comes to the Borg. If it were any more convoluted than this, we would have heard about it on-screen. Trek never shies away from labyrinthine explanations for phenomena, and yet this never once occured with the Queen. Every character refers to the Queen as a singular being, even ones with insider knowledge like Seven.
The Jurati Queen is the result of a fusion with the Borg Queen from an alternate reality. The Borg Queen in Season 3 is the original Borg Queen from the prime timeline.
The Borg Queen stuff isn't really that complicated. There's an entity known as "The Borg Queen" that has existed for centuries, per dialogue in First Contact and Picard S3. She exists within the Collective and constructs bodies for herself when she needs to manifest; we see this happen multiple times. In Voyager, the Queen commands the Borg from her personal chambers within the Unicomplex, which is essentially Borg HQ.
By the time of Voyager, there's little left to the imagination when it comes to the Borg. If it were any more convoluted than this, we would have heard about it on-screen. Trek never shies away from labyrinthine explanations for phenomena, and yet this never once occured with the Queen. Every character refers to the Queen as a singular being, even ones with insider knowledge like Seven.
The Jurati Queen is the result of a fusion with the Borg Queen from an alternate reality. The Borg Queen in Season 3 is the original Borg Queen from the prime timeline.
I highly disagree with that, remember what seven said about Jurati in Monsters, Picard S2. She indicated that Jurati was being made into “a” queen. Not “the” Queen. It was around that time when they saw Jurati fiddling with all of those car batteries and Raffi was asking why. Seven actually gives us a pretty good definition of what the queen was doing. Now the actress that played the queen there did a pretty good job, and in my mind, I might even believe she was an Alice, she had the personal mannerisms exactly as if Alice were doing it. But her goal in that whole section of Picard was to turn Jurati into a queen.
this is the first time during a show where they indicate there’s more than just one queen. And at the end of season two Jurati was literally the queen. And that queen didn’t exactly create a carbon cut out of herself, she simply used Jurati as the template.
maybe these are the spoilers so I am going to stop at this point, because, as I was saying, I’m not going to argue about how many queens there are my point was simply to theorize whether or not the Borg were using Kobali methods for resurrection. It’s got nothing to do at all with who is playing the queen, or if they are even different entities.
Okay, if we're just talking Picard S2:
First of all, let's start with the first appearance of the Borg Queen proper in the second episode. Seven says, "The Borg Queen has a kind of trans-temporal awareness. It bridges into adjacent times, realities. They hear echoes of themselves, of—of each other." She doesn't say "Borg Queens," she says, "the Borg Queen," who hears echoes of herself in other timelines, again implying there's a single Queen in each timeline. Next, when Picard encounters her in the lab, he looks her over and says, "you," with repulsion. This means several things. For one, it confirms that Annie Wersching is meant to look identical in-universe to Alice Krige, something the makeup plays up by attempting to emulate Alice's cheekbones with prosthetics. Two, it means Picard considers her the same person, which tracks with his later dialogue about being Locutus, saying he had no sense of self, only hers, singular, not once differentiating between the Queen in front of him and the Queen that was present during his assimilation and later in First Contact. In "Mercy," Jurati talks about the Queen and her motives, pinning the Borg's pursuit of conquest on the Queen's sense of isolation. This wouldn't be logical if there wasn't a single will driving the Borg, one that has existed with continuity—in spite of her multiple "deaths"—for centuries. Later, the Queen mentions having absorbed thousands of languages. She doesn't say she inherited them, she says she absorbed them actively, which is a statement similar to her comment in First Contact about having presided over the assimilation of countless millions, which once more would not make any sense if she wasn't the same person as the Queen retconned into being present at Wolf 359, who was destroyed.
What Seven meant about Jurati becoming a "new" Queen, I can't say. Typically, as we've seen, the Queen inhabits what are essentially clones of herself, so maybe that's what she meant? A new body? Or perhaps she's speaking in reference to the Queen creating a new Collective on Earth, which is what she assumes the Queen's plan is. There are two versions of the Borg Queen active at this point in the timeline. Either way, a new "Queen" is certainly not being created if we want to get 100% technical here, since the Borg Queen's consciousness is in control of Jurati; there isn't anything new being made yet, she's merely inhabiting a different shell. And we know that the Queen does not intend to share control with Jurati any time soon, even remarking that she "feels more like herself" once she dons her usual suit.
What Seven meant about Jurati becoming a "new" Queen, I can't say. Typically, as we've seen, the Queen inhabits what are essentially clones of herself, so maybe that's what she meant? A new body? Or perhaps she's speaking in reference to the Queen creating a new Collective on Earth, which is what she assumes the Queen's plan is. There are two versions of the Borg Queen active at this point in the timeline. Either way, a new "Queen" is certainly not being created if we want to get 100% technical here, since the Borg Queen's consciousness is in control of Jurati; there isn't anything new being made yet, she's merely inhabiting a different shell. And we know that the Queen does not intend to share control with Jurati any time soon, even remarking that she "feels more like herself" once she dons her usual suit.
As far as I'm concerned she simply is really Naomi, and Harry Kim is really Harry Kim. The only difference between them and the other version is that they had a few hours' worth of differing experiences. So while I can understand that realising you (or rather, the other version of you) died that day can be a sobering and perhaps even traumatic experience, I never properly understood the 'I don't really belong here' part. They do, as I see it. So I don't see any reason to not tell Naomi when she's old enough.
I agree with all of this, though by the same logic I'd also argue there's no reason to tell Naomi either, except as an interesting and potentially humorous(?) anecdote.
Though she may have a different quantum signature from everyone else, and if that's the case, that could somehow be relevant at some point in the future?
^I suspect she might at some point run into MOUGA adherents (Make Our Universe Great Again) that accuse her of 'not belonging here', for example because of that quantum signature. So she'd better be prepared for that.
As Pike said, I look forward to that conversation.
"She is Naomi; there is no difference."
"No, do not tell her."
Fascinating confidence
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By the way, would that line of reasoning have held up if "original" Naomi had lived and - for whatever reason - "alternative" Harry plus "alternative" Naomi still made their way over to the surviving Voyager?
"No, do not tell her."
Fascinating confidence
.By the way, would that line of reasoning have held up if "original" Naomi had lived and - for whatever reason - "alternative" Harry plus "alternative" Naomi still made their way over to the surviving Voyager?
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