A special talk with Naomi...
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I would dispense with the "her", given that until the last few hours of the pregnancy, our Naomi and the Naomi who died were the exact same person. But in any case, I don't see why it would be necessary. Everyone on Voyager lived that day... and everyone on Voyager died. The scales are balanced.
Another query is... if dead baby Naomi was ejected into space at about the same place as Harry was... could the Kobali have found and reanimated her as well?
For that matter, Seska and Suder weren't that far away, either.
Another query is... if dead baby Naomi was ejected into space at about the same place as Harry was... could the Kobali have found and reanimated her as well?
For that matter, Seska and Suder weren't that far away, either.
Should she be kept in the dark, then?
It'd be almost like having a twin sister, I guess. I imagine Harry would have to be involved at some point in the discussion, as he might be able to understand, somewhat.
When she's old enough, maybe.
But it never mattered in the show, nor should it have.
There are healthy kinds of compartmentalization and repression. I feel like Ensign Wildman would have to try to put it out of her mind as much as possible. I mean, she watched her baby die. I think it would probably be harder for her to think of again than it would for Naomi to hear it.
Aren't Voyager's logs publicly accessible? This feels like kicking the can down the road.
It depends whether Sam Wildman was traumatised and had issues bonding with Naomi as a result. It's like Sam had twins and one lived and the other died. From Naomi's perspective, it doesn't make a difference to her life that she's from the other Voyager.
I don't know whether Voyager's logs are publicly accessible. I doubt everyone would know about the baby salamanders. But I think most of the crew would know what happened the day Naomi was born. Maybe someone would mention it around Naomi and assume she knew?
I don't know whether Voyager's logs are publicly accessible. I doubt everyone would know about the baby salamanders. But I think most of the crew would know what happened the day Naomi was born. Maybe someone would mention it around Naomi and assume she knew?
I think she would have been told and eventually taken it in stride. She's already a half-Ktarian kid, raised by her mother, has never met her father, and stuck on a ship in the Delta Quadrant. There's no point hiding it and her finding out herself would have made things weird. They would have the discussions about the deaths of "their mother" and "their daughter" but in the end realise it doesn't really matter.
Anyone else ever read "Echoes"? It spins off "Deadlock" a tiny bit.
Wait. Naomi never meets her dad?!
Anyone else ever read "Echoes"? It spins off "Deadlock" a tiny bit.
Wait. Naomi never meets her dad?!
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Don't think it's stated either way in canon. They meet in "Homecoming", one of the novels.
Sure- but what I’m saying is Samantha Wildman watched her baby die. Gave birth and then watched her baby dead on a table. Then later was handed a baby and told “good luck! We have a spare Naomi for you!”
Regardless of the science, situation, or ending result I don’t think she would want to think about that when she looks at Naomi.
Seems like Naomi could handle it but that Samantha I would think wouldn’t want to talk about it if she could avoid it. It isn’t like Naomi knowing serves a purpose so why open up that pain for herself (Samantha)?
But, if you mean, do I think Naomi could find out? Sure, I suppose it is recorded someplace.
And as I said, the "spare Naomi" was the Naomi she carried. Until the scisson hit, the two were not only identical, they were the same.
Also, as I mentioned before, every single person on Voyager was in the same boat as little Naomi. Samantha lived to have the surviving baby Naomi placed in her arms... but she was also blasted to ions three seconds after Janeway's equally doomed counterpart welcomed the Vidiian raiding party to the bridge.
Harry died of asphyxiation. He escaped Voyager before it blew.
Naomi died of complications from childbirth. She was taken off of Voyager before it blew.
The entire remaining crew of Voyager was incinerated when the ship's warp core imploded. The entire crew of Voyager flew off, to begin extensive repairs on the ship.
Everybody died.
Everybody survived.
Everybody is on an equal footing.
She should see the child she carried and nurtured in her body for months before "Deadlock" occured. And the child she lovingly raised in the years afterward. Anything else just overcomplicates things.
This is really a parallel to the ridiculous argument that the Harry Kim on the ship from Deadlock on wasn't the "real" Harry Kim. Harry and Naomi were just as alive as the others, just as dead, and just as real.
I figured we would have seen them talk on one of those long distance phone calls, same with Paris and his dad. It feels a little like a missed opportunity to me. Naomi could steal the Mobile Emitter to upload a holoprogram of her Dad she built so she can have a family dinner or something.
I suppose Samantha could have chosen to view it as though her daughter had coded and then been revived by medical staff.
Or just borrow it. It would be super cute either way.
If an individual is the sum of their experiences - their "sensory input", to be extra-specific - then that would mean they are two distinct (and therefore different) people. However, regardless of this particular homo sapiens' viewpoint on the topic, a person should know the objective truth of their existence and be allowed to explore the nature of said existence on their own.
No. There was a time when the ship and crew were in a state of superposition, but they were the same ship and crew.
Because of the short length of time, the experiences of Naomi A and B hadn't diverged enough to make the differences matter materially. If they had been separate for a longer time, ala Trip and Sim, it'd be a different question.
In this case, a difference that makes no difference is no difference.
Because of the short length of time, the experiences of Naomi A and B hadn't diverged enough to make the differences matter materially. If they had been separate for a longer time, ala Trip and Sim, it'd be a different question.
In this case, a difference that makes no difference is no difference.
It's still a difference which exists (the extent to which it matters being subjective), but, again, the circumstances surrounding her birth and subsequent escape to another Voyager (because of that unique spatial phenomenon) is definitely not in dispute.
Or she even don't need building one. Do you remember the starwars-style holo-communicator from DS9? It could be used to create his image, and he could be on a holodeck to see others
It definitely would be very hard for Samantha, but it would be a psychological problem only, and the problem would be in the fact that Sam knows the origin of Naomi, because in all other aspects Naomi-s were identical. Sure Harry would be involved in the dialog too. However, I'm sure Naomi will be told, because...
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