D or E?
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Yeah, but it should have gone down in a blaze of glory, not due to Riker's incompetence. That said, in real life, things don't always end heroically, so I can accept how she was destroyed.
I also love E-E, so I'm glad they did it, otherwise we wouldn't have the great design. (although not as great as D)
I also love E-E, so I'm glad they did it, otherwise we wouldn't have the great design. (although not as great as D)
Riker's incompetence? 
All jokes aside from Troi getting the keys and crashing the car, the only bit that struck me as odd was that they never re-modulated shields - which seemed to be the first course of action for any and every problem on Voyager
I thought the D's destruction was handled quite well - fairly understated, but totally devastating.
I think they were right to destroy it, as the Sovereign just looks better on the big screen, and given the darker tone of First Contact, you needed your hero ship to look like a big, angry badass. I don't think they could've pulled off a convincing "refit" story for the D, á la TMP.
All jokes aside from Troi getting the keys and crashing the car, the only bit that struck me as odd was that they never re-modulated shields - which seemed to be the first course of action for any and every problem on Voyager
I thought the D's destruction was handled quite well - fairly understated, but totally devastating.
I think they were right to destroy it, as the Sovereign just looks better on the big screen, and given the darker tone of First Contact, you needed your hero ship to look like a big, angry badass. I don't think they could've pulled off a convincing "refit" story for the D, á la TMP.
Riker's incompetence?
All jokes aside from Troi getting the keys and crashing the car, the only bit that struck me as odd was that they never re-modulated shields - which seemed to be the first course of action for any and every problem on Voyager
I dont' understand how Troi was responsible, they didn't have control of the saucer. On the other hand, Riker should have unleashed a volley of torpedoes at the BoP and got it over with.
NCC-1701
No bloody A, B, C, D (or E)
Actually, I do have a fondness for each, even NX-01. Would love to see more of both B and C on film.
Personal preference is for D, just because there were 6 wonderful seasons of TNG. I'm not counting season 1; the writing, special effects, and sets were often CHEEZY; I watched it because I kept hoping it would get better.
No bloody A, B, C, D (or E)
Actually, I do have a fondness for each, even NX-01. Would love to see more of both B and C on film.
Personal preference is for D, just because there were 6 wonderful seasons of TNG. I'm not counting season 1; the writing, special effects, and sets were often CHEEZY; I watched it because I kept hoping it would get better.
Yes.
The Enterprise-D was made for the small screen. It clearly did not look good in the movies. They needed to replace it with an Enterprise which WAS created specifically for movies.
Besides, the E simply looks more...professional. It doesn't look like a hotel, like the D did.
I never thought the D looked bad in the film. I agree it wouldn't have meshed well in FC but I've always like the design.
I'm a fan of both designs, and I was crushed when I saw the D go down in flames. Funny thing is I knew it was going to happen but when I got into the theater I completely forgot. So the shock was still there.
I'm a fan of both designs, and I was crushed when I saw the D go down in flames. Funny thing is I knew it was going to happen but when I got into the theater I completely forgot. So the shock was still there.
I don't see how anyone can hate the Sovereign class, I think her power is vastly overrated by fans, but she is very beautiful
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Norrin Radd
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Good idea to destroy the D (still a shitty movie though).
But I preferred the D.
It had character.
But I preferred the D.
It had character.
yes it was good because it showed change between the times.
However, I love the Galaxy class. It is massive and wide. I like it.
However, I love the Galaxy class. It is massive and wide. I like it.
No! If the Enterprise D was being attacked by an armada of Romulan warships or more than one Borg cube, I'd accept it. But not one little antiquated Klingon ship whose codes were in the Enterprise's main computer.Norrin Radd
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The D had majesty. The E looked like just another star ship.
That's the main reason I don't like E nearly as much.
That's the main reason I don't like E nearly as much.
1701D had too much going against it in battle to have defended herself properly. I would think that Riker was smart enough to rotate the shield frequencies, logically the shields should rotate at random intervals during battle. However every time LaForge looked at his station, the Duras sisters saw the new frequency. Also the 1701D was not in a position to manuever, she was trying to get out of orbit so she could move around a bit. As it was, even with her limited mobility, the BoP missed a few times.
Now back to the question, the 1701E looks much better on screen than the 1701D did. So yes it was a good idea to destroy the D and bring on the E.
Now back to the question, the 1701E looks much better on screen than the 1701D did. So yes it was a good idea to destroy the D and bring on the E.
I like the Enterprise-E's design a lot more than some people. The damn cutaway poster hangs on my wall. The one for the Enterprise-D does not.
That said, it was absolutely ridiculous to destroy the 'D,' and the manner in which it was done, while it made for a somewhat compelling action scene, was preposterous. The show had made the 'D' a character, and it was needless to throw her away in such a manner.
I'm not calling any one person out for this because I've heard a lot of people say it, but for what reason did the 'D' not look suited for the big screen? If you don't like it, say so, but what legitimate reasons are there that the ship did not look good on the screen? The TOS design was abandoned for 'TMP' because nearly ten years had passed and great advances had been made in cinematic special effects. With TNG to 'Generations,' we're talking about a turnaround to cinema of less than a year, and the only difference in effects was the amount of time and money spent, and the change from video-based effects to film-based and CGI effects.
The design of the 'D' was remarkably detailed and the six-foot model was a quality model, built comparable to the quality of the film models of the time. The mere fact that the Excelsior model was used both on television, particularly when seen side by side with the 'D,' should demonstrate that there was a good amount of overlap in special effects quality. The four-foot model (and probably the smaller three-foot model) would not be not well suited for film, but 'Generations' proved that the six-foot 'D' model, properly refurbished and combined with CGI when necessary, was well-suited for the job. IIRC, the only reason the four-footer was used for TV was because the six-footer was so big, and the subtle details of its hull translated badly to video effcts.
I'm only left to think that the perception that the ship didn't look good on the big screen is due to remembering the video-based effects and four-footer from the show, compared to the six-footer and film effects from 'Generations.'
I understand that TPTB wanted a new ship and were pretty prickly about having a hero ship crossover, but to me it's just a flimsy excuse for more merchandising licenses.
That said, it was absolutely ridiculous to destroy the 'D,' and the manner in which it was done, while it made for a somewhat compelling action scene, was preposterous. The show had made the 'D' a character, and it was needless to throw her away in such a manner.
I'm not calling any one person out for this because I've heard a lot of people say it, but for what reason did the 'D' not look suited for the big screen? If you don't like it, say so, but what legitimate reasons are there that the ship did not look good on the screen? The TOS design was abandoned for 'TMP' because nearly ten years had passed and great advances had been made in cinematic special effects. With TNG to 'Generations,' we're talking about a turnaround to cinema of less than a year, and the only difference in effects was the amount of time and money spent, and the change from video-based effects to film-based and CGI effects.
The design of the 'D' was remarkably detailed and the six-foot model was a quality model, built comparable to the quality of the film models of the time. The mere fact that the Excelsior model was used both on television, particularly when seen side by side with the 'D,' should demonstrate that there was a good amount of overlap in special effects quality. The four-foot model (and probably the smaller three-foot model) would not be not well suited for film, but 'Generations' proved that the six-foot 'D' model, properly refurbished and combined with CGI when necessary, was well-suited for the job. IIRC, the only reason the four-footer was used for TV was because the six-footer was so big, and the subtle details of its hull translated badly to video effcts.
I'm only left to think that the perception that the ship didn't look good on the big screen is due to remembering the video-based effects and four-footer from the show, compared to the six-footer and film effects from 'Generations.'
I understand that TPTB wanted a new ship and were pretty prickly about having a hero ship crossover, but to me it's just a flimsy excuse for more merchandising licenses.
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