I think the writers wanted to get as far away from the TV visuals as quicky as possible, so many things were changed from the series to fit the movie the Enterprise herself was just one more victim. They didn't want us comparing the two, because the movie was little more than a 2 hour television show. And oh i liked the the D
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I feel what you're saying there. I too wish the D had a larger role in GEN. The new models of it were spectacular IMO. I don't see how that could have happened though, given the story line of GEN.
One thing I noticed about that film the last time I saw it was how they phase in the DS9-style uniforms one by one.
As an aside, I believe as a cost-saving maneuer some of those uniforms were in fact directly borrowed from DS9 - IIRC, Riker wore Avery Brooks's costume which is why his sleeves were too short and LaForge wore O'Brien's. I think Picard and Data actually got new ones.
I actually liked the way the D went down in Generations. Rather than an all-out battle against overwhelming odds--which would have been predictable--I liked how it was defeated in such an underhanded way by the Duras sisters, but not before the sisters got what was coming to them.
Yes, it wasn't very fair. But it makes sense when you take into account that real life Navy ships suffer through major screw ups, too. Many of them have run aground, and an aircraft carrier was nearly lost during the Vietnam war, thanks to a missile accidentally going off on the flight deck.
My point is, the way the Enterprise-D was destroyed may have been inglorious, and not what she deserved, but it reflected real life and was a pleasant twist from the "lost in a battle of overwhelming odds" scenario.
Sean
Yes, it wasn't very fair. But it makes sense when you take into account that real life Navy ships suffer through major screw ups, too. Many of them have run aground, and an aircraft carrier was nearly lost during the Vietnam war, thanks to a missile accidentally going off on the flight deck.
My point is, the way the Enterprise-D was destroyed may have been inglorious, and not what she deserved, but it reflected real life and was a pleasant twist from the "lost in a battle of overwhelming odds" scenario.
Sean
While I love the sleek look of the Enterprise-E, I can see what you're getting at. The movies didn't create a "lived in" feel for the interior of the new ship. It had character on the outside but lacked it on the inside. Of course, TNG had seven years to establish the interiors of the D and give them character.
Yes. It fit well enough into the storyline.
All good things... as they say.
I like both the D and the E.
All good things... as they say.
I like both the D and the E.
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While I love the sleek look of the Enterprise-E, I can see what you're getting at. The movies didn't create a "lived in" feel for the interior of the new ship. It had character on the outside but lacked it on the inside. Of course, TNG had seven years to establish the interiors of the D and give them character.
Which is why I thought it was a poor choice to blow it up just so they could design a new 'kewler' ship.
Why?
It was.
I concede that how they got it there wasn't.
Agreed.
I'm a fan of the D. I love that ship, and she looked great in Generations.
I've heard that too. It's funny that with all the money they spent on that movie they couldn't make two more pair of pajamas for the main characters.
I've heard that too. It's funny that with all the money they spent on that movie they couldn't make two more pair of pajamas for the main characters.
Should they have destroyed the Enterprise-D in favor of the Enterprise-E?
I dunno, should I destroy my Ferrari Dino in favor of a chromed-out Acura with neons bolted to its underside?
The D always struck me as more cinematic anyways, in addition to being 1000 times nicer looking. The E is a good design, yes. But the D is a bloody fantastic design.
The spartan interiors of the E always bothered me too, especially how they got progressivley more spartan. Nemesis was like... jeeze.
I dunno, should I destroy my Ferrari Dino in favor of a chromed-out Acura with neons bolted to its underside?
The D always struck me as more cinematic anyways, in addition to being 1000 times nicer looking. The E is a good design, yes. But the D is a bloody fantastic design.
The spartan interiors of the E always bothered me too, especially how they got progressivley more spartan. Nemesis was like... jeeze.
Exactly! Finally. (I knew that I liked you for a reason.)
I think it may have had more to do with the fact that they'd created a whole new set of uniforms for everybody that they ended up not liking and thus not using, so with little wardrobe money and time left they had to use what they had, combined with the DS9 style uniforms.
I actually quite like the uniforms they didn't use. I remember getting the action figures and thinking 'so, why aren't these in the movie?'
It was.
I concede that how they got it there wasn't.
I'll concede that it was a cool scene. It just sucks it didn't get undone via Nexus tomfoolery at the end of the movie (which would have been a nice way to mislead the audience AND take care of a few plotholes.)
It's very ungainly and just looks, I don't know, off. Interior does not look like a starship but a stationary location on a planet's surface. Although both engine rooms never worked for me.
While I disagree, thank you for providing actual reasons, because so many just say 'oh, it looks like crap.'
To be fair, it is a big ship and when they were designing it they intended it to be off isolated for long periods and make it seem as spacious as possible - so the fact that it seems like a stationery location on a planet's surface might actually be a compliment towards what they were trying to accomplish.
I do understand your engine room issue though.
I think a major part of the reason people dislike the D isn't the design per se, but the effects budget in TNG compared to the movies (and the efficiency of physical models compared to CGI). For the most part, the D just sat there. The E, by contrast, is flying all over the place.
I watched TATV for the first time the other day (yikes, that sucked), and the one good thing I pulled from it was that the D looked far better and more... fluid, for lack of a better term... than I ever remembered.
The E's still better because it's like a 24th century Excelsior. I quite like the way the engineering hull looks on the Excelsiors and Sovereigns.(Indeed, at the risk of prejudicing myself, I liked the B better than the 1701 and A, even if the regular Excelsior was better than the "refit."
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I watched TATV for the first time the other day (yikes, that sucked), and the one good thing I pulled from it was that the D looked far better and more... fluid, for lack of a better term... than I ever remembered.
The E's still better because it's like a 24th century Excelsior. I quite like the way the engineering hull looks on the Excelsiors and Sovereigns.(Indeed, at the risk of prejudicing myself, I liked the B better than the 1701 and A, even if the regular Excelsior was better than the "refit."
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That's the only conclusion I've been able to reach myself. There's nothing wrong with the damn D, and after seven years it became as much a characters as the TOS ship ever was. There was a substantial gap between the video-based editing and motion control work that the D was almost always shown in versus the E's quick flybys.
Remember the stock shot of the four-foot D that started popping up around season four when it would sort of back up towards the camera, pivot, and accelerate away? I remember that blew my mind at the time.
The E's still better because it's like a 24th century Excelsior. I quite like the way the engineering hull looks on the Excelsiors and Sovereigns.(Indeed, at the risk of prejudicing myself, I liked the B better than the 1701 and A, even if the regular Excelsior was better than the "refit."
I'll debate you on the 'better' but the E is streamlined and sleek, and because it echoes the Excelsior so flagrantly (even Eaves admitted it) I loved it when it premiered but I was still pissed the D had been destroyed. And don't feel bad, in some ways I prefer the Excelsior design to the Constitution design too.
But that's part of my point - a lot of this is just basic preference, and there are a lot of people who seem unwilling to admit it.
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