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Complimenting ENTERPRISE...

Because you don’t want to disrupt the momentum and growing goodwill of ENT while the UPN/WB merger is under way? Done right, S5 would have been a relaunch.

Unless the cast and crew were being asked to take a pay cut in rights fees or something related and they refused, there was no reason to cancel the show.

Moonves could have even cancelled ENT and created a sequel series with the same cast specifically for the CW, but with Coto at the helm in place of B&B. But that wasn’t done either.
Except that wasn't the circumstances. ENT's ratings were not supporting the interest of the company, and that was coming on the heels of Voyager's strong decrease in ratings as well. In short, the financials were not there to justify pausing the show, while paying the cast to potentially put their careers on hold, while either storing sets (expensive) or building new sets (also expensive).

In 2005 the money simply was not there. The history was showing that interest in Star Trek was diminishing, as DS9 and Voyager both started seeing decreased viewership at the end of their run. The numbers don't add up.
 
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Except that wasn't the circumstances. ENT's ratings were not supporting the interest of the company, and that was coming on the heels of Voyager's strong decrease in ratings as well. In short, the financials were not there to justify pausing the show, while paying the cast to potentially put their careers on hold, while either storing sets (expensive) or building new sets (also expensive).

In 2005 the money simply was not there. The history was showing that interest in Star Trek was diminishing, as DS9 and Voyager both started seeing decreased viewership at the end of their run. The numbers don't add up.

There’s more to go on besides tv ratings. And in the case of tv ratings, its better to draw the 18-49 demo that the 50+ demo. Has it ever been confirmed that Enterprise's audience was trending toward the older audiences instead of the intended younger audiences? And its not even taking into account that TiVo existed and was before DVR ratings were counted in the ratings. And that it’s final season was on Friday nights; surely it was outperforming other shows on Friday back in 2004/05.

I have a hard time believing that ENT wasn’t squeaking by. Only way it would be an issue to continue is if an investor walked away. Which could have been solved again by waiting until the dust settled around the UPN/WB merger, and then get an investor on board to support a final season of Enterprise. Even what was raised by the TrekUnited campaign (around $3 million) was surely enough for a single episode or two at the time. And considering the issues had over the series finale, a do over – either in a tv special on CW or a direct-to-DVD movie - would not have been an issue at all.

Make all the excuses you want. The ball was fumbled on ENT because Moonves wasn’t a Star Trek guy.
 
I remember that when ENT finished its last show, the head of CBS? Paramount? whoever was calling the shots, doing the green-lighting or cancelling, he didn't just dismantle the sets and store them piecemeal, so pieces could be used later for other productions - a typical measure at studios, they never throw anything away. The sets were also not auctioned off, even though Trek fans would have paid for genuine Star Trek props and set pieces, even the red-headed stepchild Enterprise. No, the sets were destroyed. Literally bulldozed. There seemed to be a maliciousness to it by what's-his-name, the guy in charge. Like he was sowing the ground with salt so nothing would grow again.

So even if there could be a financial formula cobbled together to make a renewal or a move to another channel doable (and ENT was ending a bit too early to see real possibilities anyway, re DVR ratings and expanded platforms and etc), the suits in charge didn't want to continue. This guy wanted to kill the show, and the TV franchise, dead.

Those of us who were there, with the campaign to continue, to find financing, find a new home, all that, it didn't matter. There needed to be people in power who loved the show, and loved Star Trek, and this guy hated it.
 
I don’t think that matters though.

He did destroy the ENT sets, and I think the set for the ENT bridge was previously used for VOY’s bridge, so he demolished that piece of history too in the process.

But, I’m looking over the ideas for the NX class sets and realize that a lot of ideas were left on the cutting room floor that could be brought back to create something new. Originally, there was an idea for the interiors to be a lightly tinted bronze instead of a grey look. And there were ideas to used simulated metal as opposed to the actual metal used on the show. No designer colours or carpets were allowed in the original design, but could work now. The furniture was from Europe and the sofas in particular from Italy, and could be ordering again with the latest styles to upgrade the sets. The round windows were intended to be portholes from the beginning.

With aircraft-style LCD screens, there must be some used ones floating around from the early 2000s that can be bought for cheap. Similarly, plasma and LCD screens aren’t as expensive now as in 2001.

I wouldn’t worry about 1960’s touch phones for the buttons, as they could be replaced with touchscreens, or black plexiglass, as a predecessor to what was used for 24th century consoles. The hands-on buttons, dials, gauges, etc, that we saw on ENT would be better suited for Earth cargo ships/transports, pre-2155 Daedalus class vessels, and XCV-330 Enterprise.

Could probably redesign the captain’s quarters, so that no one bumps their head on protruding metal supports.

The exterior of the NX class could appear to be brighter than before

The warp 7 engine room would e at least twice the size of the warp 5 engine room, according to the 2022 Ships of the Line calendar.

All of these ideas could be applied to the NX-refit, and therefore, it isn’t necessary to get the old sets back. The shuttlepods would have to be rebuilt again though. I don’t know if there would be an interest in using the original 4-winged design or not, since the wings sticking out was a concern.

Basically, go forwards, instead of looking back.
 
There needed to be people in power who loved the show, and loved Star Trek, and this guy hated it.
Not loved, but willing to allow it to exist.

But, regardless of Moonves personal hostility if Trek were shown to be making money and could be sold to advertisers and ensure future profits then I think that could appease, even in the short term. But, the attitude seems to be to keep throwing money at Trek and expect profits, but the markets were not bearing that out.
Basically, go forwards, instead of looking back.
Star Trek refuses to do that.
 
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Not loved, but willing to allow it to exist.
Yes, all the pro-Star Trek people were pushed out before the 4th season began.

Star Trek refuses to do that.
It would be ironic if it took Archer and co. to make Trek look forwards. Since there is still that Future Guy storyline to be resolved. And while it was planned to be revealed as Archer, we don’t exactly know how that came to be, since the 28th century is a long way from the 22nd century.
 
It would be ironic if it took Archer and co. to make Trek look forwards. Since there is still that Future Guy storyline to be resolved. And while it was planned to be revealed as Archer, we don’t exactly know how that came to be, since the 28th century is a long way from the 22nd century.

I tend to regard Brannon Braga is an unreliable narrator who likes to... retroactively assign himself better powers of foresight and planning, shall we say. He was still touting the "Future Guy's probably a Romulan" idea in 2009, several years after Enterprise was cancelled, as was Manny Coto.
 
I tend to regard Brannon Braga is an unreliable narrator who likes to... retroactively assign himself better powers of foresight and planning, shall we say. He was still touting the "Future Guy's probably a Romulan" idea in 2009, several years after Enterprise was cancelled, as was Manny Coto.

Romulan Archer as Future Guy sound like a more interesting idea than just a Romulan or Archer. Wonder if he’d be a TOS Romulan, a TNG Romulan, or a Northerner Romulan from ST ‘09 & PIC?
 
There’s more to go on besides tv ratings.

No, not really. That's it. That's the essence. You have to attract and retain enough viewers that the company can either make money by 1) selling ads, or 2) by receiving subscription income. Without that, commercial television programs cannot stay in production.

And in the case of tv ratings, its better to draw the 18-49 demo that the 50+ demo. Has it ever been confirmed that Enterprise's audience was trending toward the older audiences instead of the intended younger audiences?

Beats me. What I do know is that the lowest-rated episode of ENT Season Four was "Babel One," which had 2.53 million viewers. In an episode of the Treksperts Briefing Room podcast, ENT producer and "Babel One" co-writer Mike Sussman noted that UPN made the decision to cancel ENT after that episode reached ratings that low; Sussman said that they had figured the show was likely to get cancelled, but that reaching ratings that low meant that, in a way, he had co-written the episode that killed Star Trek.

In the context of network television in 2005, I don't think it mattered if the audience was trending older or younger if the audience was that small. The only episodes that year to get higher than 3.5 million people were the final two episodes, "Terra Prime" and "These Are the Voyages...," which both got 3.8 million. Not a single episode reached even 4 million people. So ratings for the entire season ranged from about 2.5 million to 3.8 million.

By contrast, the highest-rated hour-long drama TV programs of the 2004-2005 season included CSI: Crime Scene Investigation season five (whose episodes were averaging between 25-30 million); Desperate Housewives season one (whose episodes averaged between 20-25 million); and CSI: Miami season three (whose episodes averaged between 19-22 million). Less successful hour dramas that season included Lost season one (whose episodes mostly hovered between 16 million to 18 million viewers); NCIS season two (12-15 million); Boston Legal season one (10-15 million); and The West Wing season six (8-15 million).

And none of that is including reality competition shows like American Idol, which did amazingly well.

In that context, averaging about 3 million viewers is just not a sustainable business model. Advertisers were not realistically going to be willing to pay enough money for the show to remain profitable for only 3 million potential customers when they could reach 8 million on another show, or 10 million potential customers on another, or 16 million, or 25 million.

Likely the only reason UPN didn't cancel ENT after season three was that it was worth Paramount's while to get the series to about 100 episodes, because that was the point at which syndicated reruns could become valuable to broadcast stations and cable networks at the time. But the amount of money Paramount would likely lose from trying to produce a fifth season with insufficient advertising revenue would probably have negated syndication profits if the show had remained in production.

And its not even taking into account that TiVo existed and was before DVR ratings were counted in the ratings.

Which means nothing if advertisers don't think that advertising on your program will allow them to reach enough potential customers to be worth paying the money necessary for the program to be profitable.

And that it’s final season was on Friday nights; surely it was outperforming other shows on Friday back in 2004/05.

Well, the Friday night network television competition for the 8:00 PM-9:00 PM time slot is here. In particular, ENT was up against 8 Simple Rules, Joan of Arcadia, JAG, 60 Minutes II, The Simpsons, That 70s Show, Malcolm in the Middle, The Bernie Mac Show, Arrested Development, What I Like About You, Grounded for Life, and Dateline NBC.

Remember, ENT season four ranged about 2.5-3.8 million. Its average was 3.09 million viewers for the season. Here are the average numbers of viewers for the competing network shows:
In addition, ENT was directly competing for the sci-fi audience with season eight of Stargate: SG-1 on what was then called the Sci-Fi Channel on basic cable. I couldn't find much info on Stargate's ratings, but this bit indicates that a rating of 2.4 equaling 3.22 million viewers was a ratings record for Stargate, so I would assume ENT was usually getting higher ratings than SG1 that season.

In other words: Star Trek: Enterprise beat out some low-rated sitcoms on the WB and was probably beating out its genre competition in Stargate: SG-1, but it was absolutely not outperforming most other television programs that aired during the 8:00 PM-9:00 PM time slot on Fridays in 2004-2005. The Bernie Mac Show was getting 1.71 million more viewers than ENT, and even shows that got cancelled like Joan of Arcadia, 8 Simple Rules, and JAG had ratings twice or almost three times as high as ENT's ratings.

I have a hard time believing that ENT wasn’t squeaking by.

I don't. It might have squeaked by if it had been airing on the Sci-Fi Channel, because the Sci-Fi Channel's ratings in all programs were lower and it might have been able to talk advertisers into viewing ENT as part of a different marketplace than broadcast network shows. But in the context of its network broadcast competition, I have no trouble believing Paramount and UPN couldn't sell enough ads to keep the show afloat.

Only way it would be an issue to continue is if an investor walked away.

Network TV shows are not funded by investors.

Which could have been solved again by waiting until the dust settled around the UPN/WB merger,

Once again, that merger was not on the table until a year after ENT was cancelled.

and then get an investor on board to support a final season of Enterprise. Even what was raised by the TrekUnited campaign (around $3 million) was surely enough for a single episode or two at the time.

Enough for the discrete costs of an episode? Yes, but would that have been enough to pay for the costs of keeping the actors on call, the crew on call, and keeping the sets standing on soundstages where other, more lucrative programs needed space? How much money would Paramount have lost by disrupting the ability of lucrative shows to build necessary sets because ENT's sets were just sitting there on the soundstages, unused?

Make all the excuses you want. The ball was fumbled on ENT because Moonves wasn’t a Star Trek guy.

Sorry, but no. Moonves was a piece of shit, and he may not have been an ST fan, but I see no reason to think this call was made out of anything but an assessment of ENT's finances.

I remember that when ENT finished its last show, the head of CBS? Paramount? whoever was calling the shots, doing the green-lighting or cancelling, he didn't just dismantle the sets and store them piecemeal, so pieces could be used later for other productions - a typical measure at studios, they never throw anything away.

No, storing sets of cancelled TV shows was not a typical measure. Star Trek sets were often stored between 1979 and 2005 because various ST shows and films were in almost continuous production during that period, so it was an effective cost-saving measure for the anticipated future productions. But once ST was no longer in production, storage costs by definition made it more financially efficient to strike the sets. This was really common with cancelled shows -- the sets for Firefly were struck rather than maintained even when Joss Whedon was shopping the show around to other networks, for instance.

The sets were also not auctioned off, even though Trek fans would have paid for genuine Star Trek props and set pieces, even the red-headed stepchild Enterprise. No, the sets were destroyed. Literally bulldozed. There seemed to be a maliciousness to it by what's-his-name, the guy in charge. Like he was sowing the ground with salt so nothing would grow again.

Again, this was just standard practice for cancelled shows. I hate to break it to you, but decisions like this are usually made purely on a financial basis, and studio execs usually don't love or hate what their studios produce; their job is to make money, not pursue weird vendettas against shows they don't personally enjoy.

Those of us who were there, with the campaign to continue, to find financing, find a new home, all that, it didn't matter. There needed to be people in power who loved the show, and loved Star Trek, and this guy hated it.

An exec loving a show is only ever relevant if it means that exec believes the show still has the potential to make money. An exec can love a show all they want, but if the show doesn't get high enough ratings to induce advertisers to pay enough money for the show to be profitable, then all the love in the world won't save the show.
 
No, storing sets of cancelled TV shows was not a typical measure.
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I didn't mean storing the full sets. I meant breaking down the sets for piecemeal storage in a prop warehouse so those still-intact pieces could be recycled and reused for other shows. That was a typical practice at a studio I worked at for some years. The Enterprise sets, if I recall correctly, were swiftly and completely destroyed.

I hate to break it to you, but decisions like this are usually made purely on a financial basis, and studio execs usually don't love or hate what their studios produce; their job is to make money, not pursue weird vendettas against shows they don't personally enjoy.
*shrug* Just going by stuff I heard at the time. Like this:
"In a joint statement from UPN and Paramount announcing the cancellation, Enterprise’s final episode was said to be scheduled for May 13th. UPN president Les Moonves, who in the past has publicly voiced his lack of support for the entire Trek franchise, was instrumental in making the decision."

And this Memory Alpha article:
"Moonves – known for his dislike of science fiction in general and hatred for Star Trek in particular [2] – became the studio executive who personally ordained the cancellation of Star Trek: Enterprise in February 2005. With this he effectively thwarted the efforts of his subordinate Garry Hart (who had managed to renew the series for a fourth season in the wake of an earlier in-house cancellation decision) to keep the show alive, and thereby Moonves ended Star Trek prime as well for the time being."

Which cites as its source this Trek Today article:
"'Les Moonves hates all things Sci-Fi,' a former Paramount assistant claimed, explaining that he did not think the new head of CBS was at all interested in reviving Star Trek."

So from these and other sources, I got the impression that the decision was not purely financial.
 
No, not really. That's it. That's the essence. You have to attract and retain enough viewers that the company can either make money by 1) selling ads, or 2) by receiving subscription income. Without that, commercial television programs cannot stay in production.

Tell that to Jamie Kellner, who first cancelled Batman: TAS, Superman: TAS, Pinky and the Brain & Animaniacs on WB in the late 90s and then cancelled WCW Nitro on TNT and WCW Thunder on TBS in 2001, despite all of them doing pretty well in the ratings for their time.

What matters if a show is expensive to produce, if a show is financially successful (in the black) or not (in the red), and if a show fits with the desired vision for the network. And a show that attracts the 18-49 demo will attract advertisers to place ads during its airing, which in turn means the show will earn more.

Beats me. What I do know is that the lowest-rated episode of ENT Season Four was "Babel One," which had 2.53 million viewers. In an episode of the Treksperts Briefing Room podcast, ENT producer and "Babel One" co-writer Mike Sussman noted that UPN made the decision to cancel ENT after that episode reached ratings that low; Sussman said that they had figured the show was likely to get cancelled, but that reaching ratings that low meant that, in a way, he had co-written the episode that killed Star Trek.

Perhaps UPN should have premiered “Babel One” and the preceding episodes “Daedalus” and “Observer Effect” during sweeps in February and try to get higher ratings, instead of in January while not even advertise the return of Enterprise from its month long break.

In the context of network television in 2005, I don't think it mattered if the audience was trending older or younger if the audience was that small. The only episodes that year to get higher than 3.5 million people were the final two episodes, "Terra Prime" and "These Are the Voyages...," which both got 3.8 million. Not a single episode reached even 4 million people. So ratings for the entire season ranged from about 2.5 million to 3.8 million.

By contrast, the highest-rated hour-long drama TV programs of the 2004-2005 season included CSI: Crime Scene Investigation season five (whose episodes were averaging between 25-30 million); Desperate Housewives season one (whose episodes averaged between 20-25 million); and CSI: Miami season three (whose episodes averaged between 19-22 million). Less successful hour dramas that season included Lost season one (whose episodes mostly hovered between 16 million to 18 million viewers); NCIS season two (12-15 million); Boston Legal season one (10-15 million); and The West Wing season six (8-15 million).


And none of that is including reality competition shows like American Idol, which did amazingly well.


In that context, averaging about 3 million viewers is just not a sustainable business model. Advertisers were not realistically going to be willing to pay enough money for the show to remain profitable for only 3 million potential customers when they could reach 8 million on another show, or 10 million potential customers on another, or 16 million, or 25 million.

CBS,NBC, ABC & FOX aren’t UPN; even FOX isn’t not considered one of the Big Three networks. There’s supposed to be a big difference between network and cable tv.

Likely the only reason UPN didn't cancel ENT after season three was that it was worth Paramount's while to get the series to about 100 episodes, because that was the point at which syndicated reruns could become valuable to broadcast stations and cable networks at the time. But the amount of money Paramount would likely lose from trying to produce a fifth season with insufficient advertising revenue would probably have negated syndication profits if the show had remained in production.

Then film the season, wait until the merger is finished and air them as tv movies on CW.

Which means nothing if advertisers don't think that advertising on your program will allow them to reach enough potential customers to be worth paying the money necessary for the program to be profitable.

But still matters as it suggest that there might have been a far larger audience watching through DVRs, and that there was no attempt to reach them to watch the first airing on a weekly basis.

In addition, ENT was directly competing for the sci-fi audience with season eight of Stargate: SG-1 on what was then called the Sci-Fi Channel on basic cable. I couldn't find much info on Stargate's ratings, but this bit indicates that a rating of 2.4 equaling 3.22 million viewers was a ratings record for Stargate, so I would assume ENT was usually getting higher ratings than SG1 that season.


In other words: Star Trek: Enterprise beat out some low-rated sitcoms on the WB and was probably beating out its genre competition in Stargate: SG-1, but it was absolutely not outperforming most other television programs that aired during the 8:00 PM-9:00 PM time slot on Fridays in 2004-2005. The Bernie Mac Show was getting 1.71 million more viewers than ENT, and even shows that got cancelled like Joan of Arcadia, 8 Simple Rules, and JAG had ratings twice or almost three times as high as ENT's ratings.

I don’t think that there was a weekly rating wars with Stargate, although if that was the intent, then no wonder Enterprise did not reach 4M viewers. They split the science fiction audience, as I’m sure that there were viewers of Stargate SG-1 watch watched Enterprise and vice versa. Was Moonves expecting the science faction version of the weekly wrestling tv wars of the late ‘90s and very early ‘00s here? Since even in that industry, there initially was hesitation in head-to-head competition, and it only became a major success due to that industry essentially catching lighting in a bottle after all of the stars aligned after a few years. Otherwise, competition like that is seen as very stupid and shortsighted, and why not even the NFL competes with itself on Monday nights. It just wastes huge amounts of money and results in losing a chunk of the tv audience in the process.

And if Moonves disliked science fiction in general, then he should have been happy that Enterprise was outperforming another science fiction show.

I don't. It might have squeaked by if it had been airing on the Sci-Fi Channel, because the Sci-Fi Channel's ratings in all programs were lower and it might have been able to talk advertisers into viewing ENT as part of a different marketplace than broadcast network shows. But in the context of its network broadcast competition, I have no trouble believing Paramount and UPN couldn't sell enough ads to keep the show afloat.

It might not have fared any better on Sci-Fi, since even Battlestar Galactica was cancelled after 4 seasons. And it had more glowing reviews than Enterprise.

Network TV shows are not funded by investors.

A tv movie might have though, which was brought up as a possibility.

Once again, that merger was not on the table until a year after ENT was cancelled.

And again, if there are ideas for a merger floating around, then very likely they were getting their accounting in order and removing anything that was in the red – cleaning up the books first. Meaning a show that is causing UPN to be in the red would be up for cancellation.

Enough for the discrete costs of an episode? Yes, but would that have been enough to pay for the costs of keeping the actors on call, the crew on call, and keeping the sets standing on soundstages where other, more lucrative programs needed space? How much money would Paramount have lost by disrupting the ability of lucrative shows to build necessary sets because ENT's sets were just sitting there on the soundstages, unused?

We’ll never know, since it wasn’t tried. Even though advertising a special Star Trek event on CW would have been a big deal at the time. And if it’s a success, then the episodes are chopped up (like with the Futurama movies) and added to syndication.

Sorry, but no. Moonves was a piece of shit, and he may not have been an ST fan, but I see no reason to think this call was made out of anything but an assessment of ENT's finances.

What happened strikes me as either willful sabotage or plain incompetence.
 
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SG-1 aired their seasons a little differently than the Big 4 and UPN... half of the season was done by mid September, took a break until January, when they aired the rest. At most, the comparison of SG-1 and ENT is until the beginning of March.
 
An exec loving a show is only ever relevant if it means that exec believes the show still has the potential to make money. An exec can love a show all they want, but if the show doesn't get high enough ratings to induce advertisers to pay enough money for the show to be profitable, then all the love in the world won't save the show.
Exactly. People are hunting for a boogeyman (and have for years in Trek's history) demanding that Trek be given it's supposed due when the reality is this is a money market. Enterprise didn't have the numbers to justify further cost. Look at the financials, make the decision, and move on. Especially if a merger is on the books and a show isn't demonstrating financial viability.

If ENT were making money then investing further makes sense. ENT was not making money.
 
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And now we're in a position where less people are watching Trek than ever*, but because of the streaming model Paramount are getting money directly instead of it being split several ways, so it's more profitable.


*in the United States, at least. Until recently, Trek was on Netflix internationally, and their audience is insanely huge.
 
And now we're in a position where less people are watching Trek than ever*, but because of the streaming model Paramount are getting money directly instead of it being split several ways, so it's more profitable.


*in the United States, at least. Until recently, Trek was on Netflix internationally, and their audience is insanely huge.

Yep. Any business model is about the context of the marketplace within which it functions. Today, network TV shows can survive for a long time on considerably fewer viewers than ENT S4 had when it aired, because the market is so fragmented that far, far fewer shows reach high audience numbers; advertisers are willing to pay more for fewer viewers than they were in 2005. Between that and streaming, we have a situation where niche shows that can't attract audiences that would have been considered moderate or large in 2005 can survive, even thrive, with smaller, more dedicated audiences.
 
There seemed to be a maliciousness to it by what's-his-name, the guy in charge. Like he was sowing the ground with salt so nothing would grow again.

Yeah I agree. It wasn't just cancelling the show, there was no secret he hated Star Trek. I mean it makes NBC's original cancellation of the original series look downright benign. For NBC it was more or less a ratings issue, I don't think they hated Star Trek, they just didn't think it was going to be a money maker for them.

But with Moonves there was definitely a maliciousness to it. There were probably ways to have continued Enterprise for at least another season, if not two, if not on UPN then another network willing to air it. They might have needed to adjust to a smaller budget but I think it was still viable. But Moonves basically gave Star Trek fans the middle finger.

It's one of the many reasons I love the novels, including the Enterprise relaunch novels. There was a dark period for Star Trek of about 10 years. Outside the 3 Abrams movies there really was no new Star Trek out there outside tie ins. In a way the novels kept Star Trek moving. They always say in entertainment when something is not moving it dies. Well the various tie ins kept Star Trek moving at least, maybe at a crawl, but it never died out. For me the novels kept Enterprise, TNG, DS9 and Voyager moving forward (as well as the original series, though those are usually standalone novels) until Star Trek finally returned to TV.
 
There were probably ways to have continued Enterprise for at least another season, if not two, if not on UPN then another network willing to air it. They might have needed to adjust to a smaller budget but I think it was still viable. But Moonves basically gave Star Trek fans the middle finger.
Based upon what, exactly? Regardless of whatever personal ills Moonves had if Enterprise could make money for CBS that would have been the way to go. I just don't see this optimistic world where ENT gets to continue forward based on the limited data given in terms of viewership, and money. Throwing more money at it strikes as infinitely unreasonable.

Moonves was giving Trek the middle finger, if he was doing that at all. The fans were not a factor, largely because the viewership loose was on a downward trend right until Season 4.
 
Yeah I agree. It wasn't just cancelling the show, there was no secret he hated Star Trek. I mean it makes NBC's original cancellation of the original series look downright benign. For NBC it was more or less a ratings issue, I don't think they hated Star Trek, they just didn't think it was going to be a money maker for them.

But with Moonves there was definitely a maliciousness to it. There were probably ways to have continued Enterprise for at least another season, if not two, if not on UPN then another network willing to air it. They might have needed to adjust to a smaller budget but I think it was still viable. But Moonves basically gave Star Trek fans the middle finger.

It's one of the many reasons I love the novels, including the Enterprise relaunch novels. There was a dark period for Star Trek of about 10 years. Outside the 3 Abrams movies there really was no new Star Trek out there outside tie ins. In a way the novels kept Star Trek moving. They always say in entertainment when something is not moving it dies. Well the various tie ins kept Star Trek moving at least, maybe at a crawl, but it never died out. For me the novels kept Enterprise, TNG, DS9 and Voyager moving forward (as well as the original series, though those are usually standalone novels) until Star Trek finally returned to TV.
I'm struggling to figure out how this viewership works between streaming and televised aired runs. When it comes to DISCO, every time CBS aired the series on a time slot the ratings are beyond awful. Match that to ENT and the ratings were decent compared to DISCO; where's the metrics to determine whether one on TV is a flop to a subscription based product which is relying on not 1 series but many other original programming??? Something where many members in this forum had admitted they partly subscribe to ALL CBS + only when the Star Trek series are premiering.
 
I'm struggling to figure out how this viewership works between streaming and televised aired runs. When it comes to DISCO, every time CBS aired the series on a time slot the ratings are beyond awful. Match that to ENT and the ratings were decent compared to DISCO; where's the metrics to determine whether one on TV is a flop to a subscription based product which is relying on not 1 series but many other original programming??? Something where many members in this forum had admitted they partly subscribe to ALL CBS + only when the Star Trek series are premiering.

It's really not reasonable to compare the ratings of shows from early 2005 to the ratings of shows today. The markets are fundamentally different; the TV market is so much more fragmented that advertisers are willing to pay higher rates for lower ratings than they were 17 years and three presidents ago. Broadcast TV shows are able to survive today on MUCH lower ratings than they were 17 years ago.

And streaming shows have a totally different business model, since their goal isn't to serve up viewer eyeballs to advertisers. If a streaming show can attract a large enough subscriber base willing to pay enough money each month to pay for production costs, it too can survive with fewer viewers than a broadcast TV show that aired (I cannot emphasize this number enough) seventeen years ago.
 
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