My alternative is the fact that instead of 20 somethings, they're all in their mid to late 30s and that's just how Starfleet is when it's not accepting Wesley Crusher. You need like 5 degrees before you get trained.
Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 2x04 - "Mugato, Gumato"
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My alternative is the fact that instead of 20 somethings, they're all in their mid to late 30s and that's just how Starfleet is when it's not accepting Wesley Crusher. You need like 5 degrees before you get trained.
My belief is that Starfleet opened up its recruiting quota at the tail end of the Dominion War, and this is how Boimler and Fletcher and similar characters got a full ride scholarship.
We also now know that Mariner suffers from no less than two major catastrophic events (the Harovingian shape-changer and the lice attack on the Atlantis) that makes me think that Starfleet and her parents are legitimately concerned for her mental well-being and are giving her time to decompress instead of kicking her out.
I must have had my attention taken away from the screen because I don't even remember a "shocking" shower scene in last week's episode. I'll have to rewatch it.
Well, Nog has had a degree in petty theft, one in working in his uncle's bar, one in flicking sand peas on people and that's pretty much it.
I think TOM is referring to the sonic shower scene from the opening of the episode two weeks ago (Kayshon, His Eyes Open). Unless I'm also forgetting a shower scene in last week's episode (We'll Always Have Tom Paris).
That must be it. Although I don't remember it as being particularly shocking. I mean you can't see their bodies or anything, plus it's just drawings... Are we gonna be shocked by silhouettes of (putatively) naked cartoon characters?
We don’t know anything since McMahan has confirmed that LDS is prone to exaggeration (when addressing Riker’s history).
I just watched the first Police Academy the other day. It's hard to believe but you get full frontal nudity in there, plus plenty of breasts and (female) behinds. I don't remember it being for a restricted audience back then. My guess is that if a similar film was made today things would be a lot different. Am I wrong in thinking that?
1984 was a strange time for film content and ratings. Red Dawn was the very first movie ever awarded a PG-13 rating yet contained more killings per hour or minute than many R-rated films or notoriously violent movies full of blood and gore. Were it released today with the same level of violence it'd be hard to see it given anything other than an R rating.
What are you talking about? This is a Lower Decks thread in a Lower Decks forum and I'm talking about two events mentioned in two Lower Decks episodes (Cupid's Errant Arrow and Mugato, Gumato). These events happened, per dialogue in the show, unless further evidence proves them to be lies by Mariner.
This has nothing to do with the other shows or McMahan's real world interviews (as if those matter). I didn't even mention Riker.
Maybe. The nudity in Police Academy wasn't done in a sexual context (the women in the shower and the ones dancing around the bond fire) so it gets looked at softer for ratings. (As opposed to the sex scene with Callahan where we're not shown anything, nor are we shown, anything with the BJ to Lassard from the lectern. You kinda have to "know" what's happening to know what's happening.) "Roots" can be played on TV without restriction because the female nudity in that is done in a natural way. The CSI series has shown female nudity with "corpses" during optopcy scenes and some medical dramas have shown topless women following breast surgery.
(Though likely can't show a breast exam since it involves someone handling the breasts.)
Context matters. But a steaming service isn't restricted by anything but its own decisions when it comes to content, as opposed to broadcast stations restricted by FCC guidelines.
So, according to Paramount+ it's not okay to show nude people in a shower without censoring but it is okay to show two animals fucking while another one watches while stroking a phallic object.
The show is too flippant to be discussing “evidence” or “lies”. Maybe they did, maybe they didn’t, but either way it’s not a matter for serious analysis. Did Dr. T’Ana, CMO, run around the ship to escape a physical? Did Paris give Boimler a prolonged beating? I don’t think so.
Yeah, the first Police Academy was R-rated, the second one was PG-13, and then all the other sequels were PG. They deliberately sanitized the dialogue and action of the series as it progressed, presumably to get financial backing, but at the cost of quality, as each movie was progressively well-criticized.
Police Academy 1 predates the introduction of the PG-13 rating by 3½ months, but it was part of a genre of raunchy, early '80s films that fluffed up the sex and profanity in pursuit of an R rating.
EDIT: I'd also like to add that the Revenge of the Nerds franchise also went from an R-rated initial entry in the raunchy early '80s, to sanitized versions in the made-for-TV '90s.
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I strongly disagree. There's lots of lying explicitly called out for in the show. "Evidence" just means clues to the larger framework of the universe. In the context of the series, they are doing what we are seeing. In the context of the franchise, something else may have happened, but I wasn't discussing that. You don't have to move the goalposts. In the context of Lower Decks, Mariner had these two major life-changing events, and analyzing the effect of this on her person and career is something I find to be an interesting pursuit.
The show is full of pathos and drama, if you can look past the comedy, and there is alot to unpack with Mariner, Tendi, Rutherford, and especially Boimler. Their may be a slight flippancy from time-to-time, but it doesn't affect the major background details we have learned on these figures.
Yes. We saw those two events happen, quite explicitly last week. In the context of the series, those definitely 100% happened. In the context of the franchise, who knows? I like to think they happened, because they're not that fantastical of an idea.
T'Ana is an alien who's alien instincts kicked in at a bad time, and she apologized for it. Paris thought he was being attacked and fought back before he was stopped. Things happen.
I don't know. Take "Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy" for example. The Doctor is fantasizing about painting Seven naked and we don't see her body at all and we don't see her breasts even in drawings. It's so extreme in its coyness, it's ridiculous. Another time when she's supposedly naked we only see her shoulders from the back! I mean the next step is that we won't see naked people at all. We'll only see people staring at them off-screen.
He asked, they refused to answer.
This song sounds familiar.
Yes.
There were a couple of times that I thought Enterprise got extremely juvenile about sexuality, the subplot with T'Pol and Phlox from "Bounty" jumps readily to mind, but I've never been prudish about my Star Trek.
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Here's my belief:
"Lower Decks is an exaggeration or exactly what happened depending on how you choose to view it."
Because Gene Roddenberry had the same view on TOS.
"Lower Decks is an exaggeration or exactly what happened depending on how you choose to view it."
Because Gene Roddenberry had the same view on TOS.
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