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Who Is Susan Foreman?

A word about Susan's return to the TV series: No.

I say heck yeah, before the actress is too old to play the part. A regenerated Susan just isn't kosher.

well she could regenerate at the end maybe...actually if they did it right we could see her start to glow but not see who she regens into, leaving casting free in the future.

If nothing else it would be interesting to maybe see someone pretending to be Susan.
 
A word about Susan's return to the TV series: No.

I say heck yeah, before the actress is too old to play the part. A regenerated Susan just isn't kosher.
well she could regenerate at the end maybe...actually if they did it right we could see her start to glow but not see who she regens into, leaving casting free in the future.
That would be cool.

If nothing else it would be interesting to maybe see someone pretending to be Susan.
This, however, would not be. After enduring "The Doctor's Daughter," I want the real Susan.
 
And here I was hoping someone would say, "Would the real Susan Foreman please stand up, please stand up..."
 
So three stories out of 200 odd, that's not very good odds. When put against all those stories when they don't say anything about it one way or the other.

That's still three stories that explicitly state Hartnell was the first, as compared to zero that explicitly state he wasn't. There's far more onscreen evidence that the Doctor's name is actually "Doctor Who" than there is that there were pre-Hartnell incarnations.

The argument from silence is a weak argument; you could argue all sorts of things about the world of Doctor Who from that point of view. Hell's bells, there's only about three stories out of 200 that state that Adric died, the rest don't say anything about it one way or another. Maybe he survived, travelled to Pete's World and inspired John Lumic to create the Cybusmen by recounting his experiences in Earthshock. There's not much in the series to contradict that either.

Come to think of it, there's only three stories out of 200 that support the idea that Paul McGann was the Eighth Doctor. Might as well toss that out too.

At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter to me if someone wants to believe there were pre-Hartnell Doctors, but I don't see any credible evidence for it.
There is no indication at all that there were pre-Hartnell incarnations.
 
Can anyone imagine the fan shitstorm if Susan was revealed to be the thirteenth incarnation of the Doctor, who the first Doctor accidentally bumped into on one of his travels. All that cowardly girlie screaming at monsters was just an act to keep the first Doctor from knowing. :)
 
I would have thought that the reamaining number of "lives' sited in Mawdrenn Undead would have sealed the deal on this argument?
 
I think the thing is, many of you are regarding what we see in Doctor Who as somehow absolute, that what a character or story says is real and definitive and set in stone for all time thereafter. Whereas I feel Doctor Who is fluid and self-contradictory - perhaps deliberately so. You're not supposed to be able to get a handle on it. I love the fractured nature of Doctor Who continuity, I think it's part of what makes Doctor Who special and unique.

The trouble is, when one story says one thing, and another story says something else, which are you supposed to believe? There's no law that says one statement is more "correct" than the other. Despite what some people have forcefully asserted upthread, there is evidence of incarnations before Hartnell. It's there onscreen in The Brain of Morbius. Now, this may be seen to contradict statements in other stories - and I accept that. But I'm not qualified to make a value judgement on which story is "right". If I'm to believe in the fiction of Doctor Who, then I have to accept everything I see onscreen, even when it's inconsistent.
 
^ Agreed. Evidence does exist which implies the existence of pre-Hartnell incarnations of the Doctor. Most evidence contradicts this notion, but that does not mean that "Morbius" is not evidence of pre-Hartnell Doctors.
 
^ I think you're both out of straws to grasp. However, I support your right to believe what you like. Fandom is big enough for everyone's imagination... :techman:
 
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