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That was Weyoun 5. The first Weyoun we saw was Weyoun 4 in To The Death where he was killed by his top Jem'Hadar soldier. The producers loved Colmes' performance so much that they retconned in the clone idea in order to bring him back.
He means Jeffrey Combs
Since it was Weyoun 4 in To the Death, and by the end of the series, we were already at Weyoun 9, I'm wondering if sometimes the Vorta reproduce, and if their children prove loyal and devious and whatever, if they're granted the "priviledges" of being able to serve the Founders and "immortal."
My bad, I got confused because he looks so much like Alan Colmes.
This dude.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,1223,00.html
<BS>Alan Colmes is a human-Cardassian hybrid stranded in the 21st century (his one nod to the VERY conservative half of his heritage being the typical Cardassian hairstyle).
While stuck in this century, his goal is to bring about a socialistic society 24th-century style.</BS> He poses as a political pundit on the Fox News show Hannity and Colmes, but will soon leave to have his own show elsewhere.
And on a serious note...I may disagree with 90% of what comes out of his mouth--but I will genuinely miss him. He always has a wonderful sense of humor and repartee with Hannity for which I doubt there will be any substitute. :-/
Weyoun 8 was the last we saw on screen.
I would doubt that the Vorta reproduce in the way humans and other humanoids do. I'd suspect that they would be created in a fashion similar to the Jem'Hadar, genetically engineered randomly and designed to rapidly grow to maturity in days. Given one of the Vorta's primary duties is to oversee the Jem'Hadar and since they can be produced in great numbers quickly you would need to be able to get new Vorta just as quickly.
Though it also might be that the range of Vorta bodies/templates is fixed and these are just reproduced multiple times.
I'd suspect that they were able to have sex and would just not for the reasons to procreate.
Right 8... sorry, forgot. 
What you're saying is what I thought too. But I'm wondering because the Vorta were an actual species on their own- not very advanced. But they lived in trees, and they retain poor vision. They also still seem to be male and female. Jem'Hadar females are not bred, and have clearly been revamped inside and out.
But Vorta seem more... original. Genders have been retained. They dress well and wear makeup and sometimes jewlery. And since according to Weyoun 6, Vorta have been companions with the Founders since before the Vorta were created, I would rule out that they do mate and have young. That may also work given Weyoun's curiosity with inter-species "comfort" and yet he has no sense of esthetics when it comes to art.
Impossible to say from what we know in the series, but I'm not sure I'd rule it out, especially given how "young" Weyoun is, by now, after 2000 years they'd be on Weyoun 4000 and something, given how many times he's died already.
What you're saying is what I thought too. But I'm wondering because the Vorta were an actual species on their own- not very advanced. But they lived in trees, and they retain poor vision. They also still seem to be male and female. Jem'Hadar females are not bred, and have clearly been revamped inside and out.
But Vorta seem more... original. Genders have been retained. They dress well and wear makeup and sometimes jewlery. And since according to Weyoun 6, Vorta have been companions with the Founders since before the Vorta were created, I would rule out that they do mate and have young. That may also work given Weyoun's curiosity with inter-species "comfort" and yet he has no sense of esthetics when it comes to art.
Impossible to say from what we know in the series, but I'm not sure I'd rule it out, especially given how "young" Weyoun is, by now, after 2000 years they'd be on Weyoun 4000 and something, given how many times he's died already.
I'm sceptical of Weyoun's Vorta origin story. It's a nice little tale but I'd just as easily (maybe more so) believe that the Vorta were put together in a lab and fed the story by the Founders.
Given the Vorta also act as ambassadors, negogiators and diplomats it makes sense for them to retain/have the common humanoid two sexes. An attractive woman with a low cut top can loosen tongues as well as a good interrogator in some cases.
Impossible to say from what we know in the series, but I'm not sure I'd rule it out, especially given how "young" Weyoun is, by now, after 2000 years they'd be on Weyoun 4000 and something, given how many times he's died already.
Weyoun might not be the original Vorta, but a copy of that body template with the name Weyoun. Another possibility is that the first Weyoun was there thousands of years ago and that there might have been significant spans of time where no clone of Weyoun was active. Maybe during a long period of relative peace when one cloned passed away there was no need for the reactivation of the replacement. Out there, but possible.
I liked the story, but saw it in a similar way. I assumed t was a story loosely based on their real origins - the Founders used the primate template to create the Vorta species but made it seem more magical and meaningful to them.
Like the Vorta in the ship. I always thought it unfortunate we never saw her again
Oh, there are definitely issues with his story, I think the Founders would be even bigger jerks if a friendly group of aliens helped them, and as a "gift" they made them into the Vorta. And why would it matter if a Founder was beaten? It couldn't hurt them. And why would it run away and hide? Why wouldn't it turn into a rock?
But given the diversity that sexual reproduction can bring (though haven't most cloned species in ST and the like been unable to reproduce sexually?) if there is any essense of a natural being in them, I wouldn't rule it out. Especially the weak eyes, which seem ridiculous, if they were really going to alter them. Weyoun's vision was kinda embarrasing for what he was, in that case.
But given the diversity that sexual reproduction can bring (though haven't most cloned species in ST and the like been unable to reproduce sexually?) if there is any essense of a natural being in them, I wouldn't rule it out. Especially the weak eyes, which seem ridiculous, if they were really going to alter them. Weyoun's vision was kinda embarrasing for what he was, in that case.
The Jem' Hadar are genetically created. The Vorta are clones. There is a difference. In order for someone to be a clone, there has to have been an original at some point. Remember, the Founders altered the vorta's species, gave them intelligence, made them sentient. They are a natural species that has been altered. There is a home planet somewhere in the Gamma Quadrant.
I never bought into the whole androgynous vorta b.s. It makes no sense. If you're going to genetically remove someone's gender, then why leave them with gender traits? The same as they did for the Jem' Hadar, who are genetically created, and not just cloned. There are no Jem' Hadar women. There's no need for them. The Jem' Hadar aren't cloned, they're created. There is no natural species of Jem' Hadar to begin with. So there is no original, natural Jem' Hadar person to clone. Each Jem' Hadar genetic pattern is artificial. I don't doubt that each pattern is used a countless number of times, I'm sure it is. It's still an artificial pattern though.
The Vorta aren't genetically created though, they're cloned. The species was altered at one point to make it sentient and intelligent, yes, but now it progresses just as any other species. Through procreation. That is why there are still two genders of Vorta, male and female. There is most likely some sort of Dominion personality and character trait screening process through which potential clones are discovered. It's probably during the cloning process that the individuals personality is altered, removing interests that would interfere with their duties as a Dominion representitives, such as sexual urges or hobbies or a sense of aesthetics. The clones are obviously used numerous times, Weyoun is proof of that, because the Founders know them to be reliable and trustworthy.
I'm sure the whole of the species worships the Founders as gods. That genetic addition was probably included in the whole 'now you're a sentient species' package. There is an entire species of Vorta though. There was an original Weyoun. An original Keevin. They're probably long since dead, but yes, there was an original.
A planet of Vorta civilians actually makes the most sense when you consider all that I've already mentioned along with the fact that we know there are other civilian species ruled by the Dominion. The Karemma for example.
I never bought into the whole androgynous vorta b.s. It makes no sense. If you're going to genetically remove someone's gender, then why leave them with gender traits? The same as they did for the Jem' Hadar, who are genetically created, and not just cloned. There are no Jem' Hadar women. There's no need for them. The Jem' Hadar aren't cloned, they're created. There is no natural species of Jem' Hadar to begin with. So there is no original, natural Jem' Hadar person to clone. Each Jem' Hadar genetic pattern is artificial. I don't doubt that each pattern is used a countless number of times, I'm sure it is. It's still an artificial pattern though.
The Vorta aren't genetically created though, they're cloned. The species was altered at one point to make it sentient and intelligent, yes, but now it progresses just as any other species. Through procreation. That is why there are still two genders of Vorta, male and female. There is most likely some sort of Dominion personality and character trait screening process through which potential clones are discovered. It's probably during the cloning process that the individuals personality is altered, removing interests that would interfere with their duties as a Dominion representitives, such as sexual urges or hobbies or a sense of aesthetics. The clones are obviously used numerous times, Weyoun is proof of that, because the Founders know them to be reliable and trustworthy.
I'm sure the whole of the species worships the Founders as gods. That genetic addition was probably included in the whole 'now you're a sentient species' package. There is an entire species of Vorta though. There was an original Weyoun. An original Keevin. They're probably long since dead, but yes, there was an original.
A planet of Vorta civilians actually makes the most sense when you consider all that I've already mentioned along with the fact that we know there are other civilian species ruled by the Dominion. The Karemma for example.
By the way, I'm new here. Nice to meet all of you.
I'm not sure I buy that the Founders made the Vorta sentient. Even if they were "ape-like" according to Weyoun's story next to what they are in the service of the Founders, I really think they were a people. Frankly, I even wonder if the Tosk originated or have something to do with the Jem'Hadar. The Tosk were supposed to be connected to the Dominion, but the parts were cut.
But otherwise, yeah, I like your description. The outer physical characteristics, breasts etc. on women, the voice and organs on men, are secondary gender characteristics. So if the Founders removed the Vorta's gender, I don't see why they'd have secondary characteristics. Tho that doesn't prove the reproduce, I just really think its possible. No proof either way.
Man living under the Founders would suck...
But otherwise, yeah, I like your description. The outer physical characteristics, breasts etc. on women, the voice and organs on men, are secondary gender characteristics. So if the Founders removed the Vorta's gender, I don't see why they'd have secondary characteristics. Tho that doesn't prove the reproduce, I just really think its possible. No proof either way.
Man living under the Founders would suck...
The development of Sex Organs would be somewhat obvious. They would realize that appearance can affect negotiations in dealings. For example, in a recent negotiation for work they sent me along with a group of negotiatiors for the project we have under development. When I asked what my part of the assignment was they said: "Smile pretty and remind people of how cute you are. The rest of the team will do the real work."
In addition, it is possible that they were allowed to keep their sexual characteristics because of necessities in some business and political deals. Perhaps there are some diplomatic missions that require marrying or sexual acts to get a deal signed.
I can't believe I just made this argument.
In addition, it is possible that they were allowed to keep their sexual characteristics because of necessities in some business and political deals. Perhaps there are some diplomatic missions that require marrying or sexual acts to get a deal signed.
I can't believe I just made this argument.
^ Of simply the fact that the Dominion would probably have to deal with patriarchy and matriarchy societies. With either one their were be tangible benefits from have the appropriate gendered Vorta present in any dealings.
As I mentioned before sex can be a very useful tool in intelligence gathering.
As I mentioned before sex can be a very useful tool in intelligence gathering.
Wow, NX...I don't know that I'd be too comfortable working in a job where somebody said something like that to you!!
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