We'll always have TOS

[Herkimer Jitty]

We'll always have TOS.

We'd...we'd lost it until TMP came around. We got it back in 1979. I'm no good at being noble, but it doesn't take much to see that the problems of a few angry fans don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world. Someday you'll understand that. Here's looking at you, Trekkie.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Louis, this could be the beginning of a long, asocial existence in our parents basements.

 

[SalvorHardin]

We'll always have TOS.

I don't know man... Abrams I hear is really resourceful and evil.

If Santa can go to every house in the world in a single night, I have to assume Abrams can do it and steal all our dvds or vhs tapes or hard drives.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

I don't know man... Abrams I hear is really resourceful and evil.

If Santa can go to every house in the world in a single night, I have to assume Abrams can do it and steal all our dvds or vhs tapes or hard drives.

Quantum physics allows for the possibility of all recordings of TOS to suddenly cease to exist. Really.

It's highly improbable, but in the quantum world it is possible.



Oh yeah...I almost forgot to keep with the theme...

Me: I'm shocked, shocked to find that Abrams has dared to mess with TOS canon!
Cinema Box Office Attendant: Here's your ticket for Star Trek, sir.
Me: Oh, thank you very much.

 

[xortex]

We'll always have TOS.

We'd...we'd lost it until TMP came around. We got it back in 1979. I'm no good at being noble, but it doesn't take much to see that the problems of a few angry fans don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world. Someday you'll understand that. Here's looking at you, Trekkie.

That's the beauty of time travel. They will dissapear from our cabinets and we'll never know they ever existed.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

If Santa can go to every house in the world in a single night, I have to assume Abrams can do it and steal all our dvds or vhs tapes or hard drives.

"Excuse me, weren't those a present?"

"And they will be again, that's the beauty of it."

Thank you, Most Awesome Quantum Theory!

 

[gastrof]

Sometimes I don't think you guys get what the "Trekkies" are upset about.

YES there can be new stories in the new timeline that can be just as much "Trek" as everything else has been.

The problem is, tho', that 40 years worth of history/continuity may have been sacrificed, totally shipwrecking any 24th century Trek projects that might be done, even if only in book form.

CAN Picard's/Sisko's/Janeway's era be as we've known it if Kirk's has been changed to the degree it has been? Maybe, but maybe NOT.

Also, any further books taking place in the TOS time period (or 23rd century movie period) will leave us wondering WHICH version of the "Kirk" timeline this new story is happening in.

Those who, like me, were of the "CHANGE NOTHING!!!" mindset liked what we had, and it's been sort of taken away. Yeah, we still have the tapes and DVDs, but are they even relevant any more? Do they happen in the "official" timeline or not? If not, then they're essentially no longer "official" Star Trek, and we'll see nothing more in that "universe" ever again...

And we liked it.

Is that so hard for you to understand?

I can look forward to this movie and anything further that comes out of it, but can't help but wonder "Did JJ really HAVE to do this for the movie to be successful?" Couldn't he have held closely to the existing timeline and made only minor visual changes ("minor" in the way the uniforms have been altered) and still have had a great movie?

For example, can't you imagine a bridge that looks essentially like the TOS version, but at the same time made "better" in various ways?

We've seen the KFC commercial. Is that the TOS bridge? Obviously, YES. On closer examination, tho', you realize there are a large number of subtle changes, NONE of which catch the eye at first.

Just like JJ's version of the uniforms.

I'm sure he could have held to continuity and look, and had a great film.

Are you going to tell me he COULDN'T?

I'm just sorry that in order to have new Trek, we have to throw out a large hunk of existing continuity.

It would have been more fun if it'd been done the other way. More Kirk/Spock stories, yet the same timeline, with enough visual changes to keep the "gotta look spiffy" people happy, and yet still not be jarringly different from the original.

Too much to ask for? Not from a good film maker.

Especially after the promise of no changes and a story that simply takes place "between chapters we already know", I feel a little let down. I'm going and will keep up with subsequent films and hope for a "nu-TOS" TV series, but it could have been a lot more like the original and not have hurt a thing.

 

[xortex]

Don't you know, in a fast cash world, it's better to be hideously clever than thoughtful in any way. Hey let go my ego.

 

[Skywalker]

Meh, I was never a big TOS fan anyway.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

It just occured to me that, as always, everything you need to know about dealing with a Trek reboot can be learned from Trek itself. To paraphrase:

                              TREKKIE 
			I have decided to resign from 
			Star Trek.

					FANBOY
			Resign? What are you talking about?

					TREKKIE
			I have made up my mind. It is for 
			the best.

					FANBOY
			Look, I know how much you miss the 
			Enterprise, but I heard JJ Abrams is
                        building a new one.

					TREKKIE 
			It will not be the same. 
				(a beat) 
			The Enterprise I knew is gone. 
			Those were good years... but it's 
			time for me to move on.

					FANBOY
			And do what?

					TREKKIE
			I don't know. I thought I would 
			be sticking to the DVDs. But thanks
                        to the reboot, that's impossible. I 
                        have made an enemy of Paramount, 
			and of every other Trekkie in the 
                        franchise.

					FANBOY
			All the more reason to stay with 
			Star Trek.

					TREKKIE
			This movie will only serve as a  
			reminder of how the Trek universe
                        has become a disgrace...
				(thinking) 
			I suppose I could start hanging out on
                       Star Wars boards. They're always eager 
                        to recruit experienced nerds.

					FANBOY
				(surprised) 
			Star Wars... That's a long way off...

Let's take a lesson from Worf in the Way of the Warrior... or, in this case, Way of the Trekkie. The Enterprise we know is gone, it won't be coming back. But there is still much for us to do here, much Trekness to enjoy.

 

[Dane_Whitman]

Bravo newtype_alpha!

 

[The]

The problem is, tho', that 40 years worth of history/continuity may have been sacrificed, totally shipwrecking any 24th century Trek projects that might be done, even if only in book form.

It has not.

CAN Picard's/Sisko's/Janeway's era be as we've known it if Kirk's has been changed to the degree it has been?

Yes.

Also, any further books taking place in the TOS time period (or 23rd century movie period) will leave us wondering WHICH version of the "Kirk" timeline this new story is happening in.

No it won't.

Those who, like me, were of the "CHANGE NOTHING!!!" mindset liked what we had, and it's been sort of taken away.

No it hasn't.

Yeah, we still have the tapes and DVDs, but are they even relevant any more?

Yes.

Do they happen in the "official" timeline or not?

Yes.

If not, then they're essentially no longer "official" Star Trek, and we'll see nothing more in that "universe" ever again...

Who in actual power or control of the Star Trek Franchise has said that?

And we liked it.

Good.

Is that so hard for you to understand?

No.

I can look forward to this movie and anything further that comes out of it, but can't help but wonder "Did JJ really HAVE to do this for the movie to be successful?"

Yes.

Couldn't he have held closely to the existing timeline and made only minor visual changes ("minor" in the way the uniforms have been altered) and still have had a great movie?

No.

For example, can't you imagine a bridge that looks essentially like the TOS version, but at the same time made "better" in various ways?

I do not need to imagine it. I have seen the trailer for the movie.

We've seen the KFC commercial.

...Kentucky Fried Chicken?

Is that the TOS bridge?

If you mean the one from the trailer, then yes.

Obviously, YES.

...that's what I said.

I'm sure he could have held to continuity and look, and had a great film.

Incorrect.

Are you going to tell me he COULDN'T?

Yes.

I'm just sorry that in order to have new Trek, we have to throw out a large hunk of existing continuity.

He didn't. Read about the movie.

It would have been more fun if it'd been done the other way.

No it wouldn't.

More Kirk/Spock stories, yet the same timeline, with enough visual changes to keep the "gotta look spiffy" people happy, and yet still not be jarringly different from the original.

So, he should have altered the pre-existing timeline? Early in your post you said you didn't want any change whatsoever. So, by making this a quantum possibility, you get what you requested: no change to the original timeline. That is what you want, correct? Make up your mind.

Especially after the promise of no changes and a story that simply takes place "between chapters we already know", I feel a little let down.

He kept that promise, you just don't like how he kept it.

I'm going and will keep up with subsequent films and hope for a "nu-TOS" TV series, but it could have been a lot more like the original and not have hurt a thing.

It is just like the original and has not hurt a thing. As you all requested...

 

[M'Sharak]

...Kentucky Fried Chicken?

gastrof means this commercial, mentioned some time back in a thread in the TOS forum and produced (in Australia?) by this guy. There's some uncertainty, apparently, as to whether it was ever aired in the U.S., but you may have seen images from it in avatars, etc.

 

[xortex]

We'll always have TOS.

We'd...we'd lost it until TMP came around. We got it back in 1979. I'm no good at being noble, but it doesn't take much to see that the problems of a few angry fans don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world. Someday you'll understand that. Here's looking at you, Trekkie.

Maybe I'll wait for Star Trek: The Next Exploitation.
Hey, let go my eggo.

 

[M'Sharak]

Don't you know, in a fast cash world, it's better to be hideously clever than thoughtful in any way. Hey let go my ego.

Maybe I'll wait for Star Trek: The Next Exploitation.
Hey, let go my eggo.

It wasn't really clever the second time, either.

 

[xortex]

Getting something but not how you want it is not really getting it.

 

[Qonos]

Getting something but not how you want it is not really getting it.

And with trying to please a wide field of different people it's very hard to please everyone.

Your point? You're not happy with what we're getting before you've even seen more than two minutes of it. Movies are not you can have it your way. This is not Burger King.

 

[xortex]

Getting something but not how you want it is not really getting it.

And with trying to please a wide field of different people it's very hard to please everyone.

Your point? You're not happy with what we're getting before you've even seen more than two minutes of it. Movies are not you can have it your way. This is not Burger King.

I'm actually happy with what we're getting. I was just trying to help Gastrof make his point which I somewhat agree with.

 

[Qonos]

Getting something but not how you want it is not really getting it.

And with trying to please a wide field of different people it's very hard to please everyone.

Movies are not you can have it your way. This is not Burger King.

I'm actually happy with what we're getting. I was just trying to help Gastrof make his point which I somewhat agree with.

well then drop the part i removed and carry on.

 

[Borgminister]

...Kentucky Fried Chicken?

gastrof means this commercial, mentioned some time back in a thread in the TOS forum and produced (in Australia?) by this guy. There's some uncertainty, apparently, as to whether it was ever aired in the U.S., but you may have seen images from it in avatars, etc.

That was actually quite good...! But now I'm hungry.