USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[KennyB]

I got no problem with it. I think the Discoprise is a beautiful update for a 50 year old make believe star ship. While the Matt Jefferies TOS was an elegant and ground breaking ship design, one worthy of being in the Smithsonian......it needed a facelift. I don't need in universe reasons that it looks and measures differently. I know it ain't real. Just give me good stories and a Pike show...........

 

[Boris Skrbic]

From their Enterprise-D book:

Ok, but seriously it’s a publishing error to depict the design lineage like this since DSC would’ve restyled all the other Enterprises to match. A licensed publication cannot speculate in that direction, though, so the best it can do is exclude the DSC version from this and related comparisons, which shouldn’t be much of a problem.

 

[Tuskin38]

Ok, but seriously it’s a publishing error to depict the design lineage like this since DSC would’ve restyled all the other Enterprises to match. A licensed publication cannot speculate in that direction, though, so the best it can do is exclude the DSC version from this and related comparisons, which shouldn’t be much of a problem.

Except the DSC version is just as canon as the rest

 

[Yistaan]

"The USS Enterprise NCC-1701 received some temporary modifications while under the command of Captain Christopher Pike..."

The idea that they changed after "The Cage" for Disco (making it bigger and totally changing the proportions) then changed it back for TOS proper is one of the stupidest things I've read in a Star Trek book.

Nice Fact-Files-style bridge cutaway, but they botched having the window in front as a viewscreen when it's a window.

It's implied in the new Enterprise War novel that just came out (I've been reading it) that it was indeed refit for the research mission it was on during the Klingon war, although the extent of the modifications is not detailed.

 

[cooleddie74]

The size is ridiculous and I just personally ignore it but I can rationalize the aesthetic differences between 2257 and the second TOS pilot as being a pre-Klingon War tech upgrade that was later changed with certain elements removed for a different mission profile.

 

[Yistaan]

The size is ridiculous and I just personally ignore it but I can rationalize the aesthetic differences between 2257 and the second TOS pilot as being a pre-Klingon War tech upgrade that was later changed with certain elements removed for a different mission profile.

Captain Pike's bizarre hatred of holograms seen in Discovery was just a sign of some undiagnosed mental illness that Dr. Boyce never took seriously enough. His vision on Boreth that he then kept to himself didn't exactly do wonders for his mental health either.

By the time Pike handed the Enterprise over to Kirk, he stripped it of so much advanced looking tech that Kirk was dismayed. The Defiant's crew also did the same to their ship as they went mad from their transition to the Mirror universe.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

Except the DSC version is just as canon as the rest

Yes, but the above lineup demonstrates a lack of design continuity between DSC and the other shows, whether we call it a multiverse, different art styles, improved “documentary footage” or whatever. The designers knew what they were doing when they brought the Enterprise in line with the other ships previously established on DSC.

 

[Dukhat]

"The USS Enterprise NCC-1701 received some temporary modifications while under the command of Captain Christopher Pike..."

The idea that they changed after "The Cage" for Disco (making it bigger and totally changing the proportions) then changed it back for TOS proper is one of the stupidest things I've read in a Star Trek book...

...I feel sorry for their writers. They're trying.

Exactly. It wasn't their idea to change the design and the size of the TOS Enterprise, but they got the job of trying to explain away the discrepancy, since the book makes it clear that they're the same ship from the same universe even though it's rather an insult to the reader's intelligence that this is the case.

Ok, but seriously it’s a publishing error to depict the design lineage like this since DSC would’ve restyled all the other Enterprises to match.

But it wasn't the book authors' job to speculate how future Enterprises would look like with a 'visual reboot' (such a silly term, IMHO). It was their job to shoehorn in the DSC Enterprise into the already established Enterprise lineage from everything that came before DSC (other than the alternate universe of the Kelvin timeline) and then come up with some excuse to explain the changes. And as @King Daniel Beyond pointed out, their explanation was as about as inventive as Kurtzman's explanation about how DSC fits into the prime Star Trek canon: classify everything, send the ship 1,000 years into the future, and sweep the last two years under the rug and start over again

Except the DSC version is just as canon as the rest

Yes, it's absolutely canon to the Star Trek universe. Except I'm not really buying the book authors' explanation (again, not their fault) that the Enterprise went from how we saw it in "The Menagerie" to how we saw it in DSC, to how we saw it in "Where No Man Has Gone Before." I think the current producers of DSC have realized that making a series that takes place ten years before TOS but looking nothing like TOS was a mistake, which is why we're getting ST:Picard (among other reasons.) 20 years from now, people aren't going to fondly remember the 'look' of DSC when thinking of people like Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, the Enterprise, the Klingons, etc. They're going to fondly remember TOS. This is of course just my opinion, but hopefully I'll still be around 20 years from now to see if I was proven right.

 

[Tuskin38]

I like the Fact File style Uniforms too

 

[Tuskin38]

No front view?

There's a front view of the TOS Enterprise, maybe it's just not in the preview pages for some reason.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

But it wasn't the book authors' job to speculate how future Enterprises would look like with a 'visual reboot' (such a silly term, IMHO).

I did say they couldn’t very well imagine a hypothetical restyling for the other ships as a licensed publication — on the other hand, there was no pressing need to include the DSC Enterprise in this lineage, since it’s not like the target audience is going to ask “But where is that fancy DSC version the Enterprise was refit into and all the way back again?”, at least not before guessing the answer to their own question: barring a few details, it’s right there, in Kirk’s version. This doesn’t preclude an inverse publication describing the DSC Enterprise in excruciating detail while sweeping all the other Enterprises under the famous rug.

 

[Dukhat]

I did say they couldn’t very well imagine a hypothetical restyling for the other ships as a licensed publication — on the other hand, there was no pressing need to include the DSC Enterprise in this lineage, since it’s not like the target audience is going to ask “But where is that fancy DSC version the Enterprise was refit into and all the way back again?”, at least not before guessing the answer to their own question: barring a few details, it’s right there, in Kirk’s version. This doesn’t preclude an inverse publication describing the DSC Enterprise in excruciating detail while sweeping all the other Enterprises under the famous rug.

DSC is the show they were actively promoting. So not including the DSC Enterprise in the book would have been stupid on their part.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

DSC is the show they were actively promoting. So not including the DSC Enterprise in the book would have been stupid on their part.

But it’s not promotion if a tie-in publication misrepresents the way the DSC design team would’ve handled the lineup, which is to restyle all the other designs to match, or if they just needed a quickie background schematic, pretend even their version is around 289 meters long. The diagram looks off even if the reader knows absolutely nothing about Star Trek.

 

[Tuskin38]

CBS approved it, so they're fine with it.

 

[BillJ]

The “new” Enterprise doesn’t even match the aesthetic of the show it is in. So who knows what the thinking is behind the scenes?

 

[BeatleJWOL]

misrepresents the way the DSC design team would’ve handled the lineup

You're saying because the DSC team didn't redesign all the OTHER Enterprises we've ever seen on screen too, the page is invalid or something?? That's a new one.

 

[Yistaan]

The Enterprise entered an anomaly that shrunk the ship between dsc and tos, similar to DS9s One Little Ship episode. Transporters restored the crew to normal size, but they couldn't do anything about the ship.

Problem solved

 

[Boris Skrbic]

CBS approved it, so they're fine with it.

Whoever approved it from Licensing is probably no expert on the art- or VFX departments.

The “new” Enterprise doesn’t even match the aesthetic of the show it is in. So who knows what the thinking is behind the scenes?

That it should largely match the aesthetic while also evoking Kirk’s five-year mission (not even “The Cage”).

You're saying because the DSC team didn't redesign all the OTHER Enterprises we've ever seen on screen too, the page is invalid or something?? That's a new one.

No, it’s always been obvious. Imagine a season-three crossover episode where all the Enterprises meet up. What does DSC do? Recast even more characters, redesign even more ships and sets, of course.

 

[Tuskin38]

The “new” Enterprise doesn’t even match the aesthetic of the show it is in. So who knows what the thinking is behind the scenes?

Why does it need to match? It's from a different era from DSC, designs change.

Recast even more characters, redesign even more ships and sets, of course.

They haven't redesigned the Galaxy Class or Sovereign for Picard.

 

[BillJ]

Why does it need to match? It's from a different era from DSC, designs change.

It is from a decade prior (2245), things shouldn't have changed that much.