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Trip on Columbia

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I probably covered this a bit when I reviewed "Affliction" and "Divergence", but I feel like having Trip temporarily transferring to Columbia was an opportunity that wasn't fully taken advantage of. Now, to be fair, with the show ending so soon after, they probably COULDN'T have really done any more with it, but if that hadn't been the case, I would've kept Trip over there a few episodes longer.

The idea of having one of our main characters transfer to another ship and work with another crew for an extended period of time is an appealing concept that no series had really done before. If anyone's a fan of the US version of "The Office", it's kind of similar to Jim transferring to the Stamford branch for the first few episodes of season 3 (interestingly, largely for the same reasons Trip did).

We got to see him interact with Captain Hernandez a bit, and it was nice to see her being a captain and not just flirting/hooking up with Archer. Having Trip stick around a bit longer would've given time to introduce a few MORE members of the crew. We never met the first officer, the doctor, or anyone else. Fleshing out this whole other crew would've been interesting, and even when Trip inevitably goes back to Enterprise, you've still established the people working on Starfleet's only other deep space ship, which could come in handy in future episodes.

On top of that, the rest of the Enterprise crew would've had to deal with a new engineer and life without Trip, so there's something to do on their end as well. We never really learned much about Kelby (not even his first name!), so getting to know him and perhaps having him grow into his new assignment could've been neat.

As it stands, I thought Trip's abrupt return in "Bound" made him not look very good. Not only is he ditching his new captain and crew just after their launch (forcing Hernandez to select a new engineer and then go all the way back to Earth to get him or her), but he promises Kelby he's not planning to take his job out from under him, and then immediately goes back on his word. In fact, he might've already done so when he talked to Kelby, and was just lying right to his face!

As I said, I though it was a missed opportunity.
 
Let's face it; most of Enterprise was a missed opportunity.

I absolutely adored Trip and he is far and away my favorite character on the series, but having him go to Columbia was really a waste of time. It would have been a perfect time to show Kelby struggling to deal with being the Chief Engineer--maybe even back up how vital Trip is to Enterprise. Or have a new engineer brought in, someone a bit more by the book or someone who'd never been in space before. Since there would be extremely few people in Starfleet qualified for the post at time, anyone with the proper education would've most likely never been in deep space before.

Even more interesting would be watching Trip deal with a new crew, make new friends and try to pass on his experience to a brand new bunch who have never been on a starship before. What sort of mistakes would they make?

What I really wanted to see is how Archer would've reacted. He was very hurt when Trip left; wouldn't he want to know why he left and then suddenly came back? Wouldn't he wonder what was really going on? Where was that conversation?
 
I would've liked to see that plotline last a little longer too, and have a better reason for Trip's return to Enterprise.

Having a new Chief Engineer aboard and having him/her work with the senior staff could've been very interesting. Kelby didn't fit the bill for this. They wrote him in a way that we weren't supposed to like him and be really glad when Trip came back, which was not necessary. A better and more likable replacement Chief would've added some depth to that when Trip came back.

In addition to Trip's transfer, there should've been more reference to the rest of the Senor Staff's job options. They probably all would've gotten great job offers after the Xindi mission. Malcolm probably would've been offered a First Officer position somewhere or a high ranking position at Starfleet Security. Hoshi's experience with Xindi codes would've had attention from computer security. Phlox could be offered to become head of the Interspecies Medical Exchange or his analysis of the Sphere Builders would've gotten him academic and research attention.
 
I would've liked to see that plotline last a little longer too, and have a better reason for Trip's return to Enterprise.

Having a new Chief Engineer aboard and having him/her work with the senior staff could've been very interesting. Kelby didn't fit the bill for this. They wrote him in a way that we weren't supposed to like him and be really glad when Trip came back, which was not necessary. A better and more likable replacement Chief would've added some depth to that when Trip came back.

In addition to Trip's transfer, there should've been more reference to the rest of the Senor Staff's job options. They probably all would've gotten great job offers after the Xindi mission. Malcolm probably would've been offered a First Officer position somewhere or a high ranking position at Starfleet Security. Hoshi's experience with Xindi codes would've had attention from computer security. Phlox could be offered to become head of the Interspecies Medical Exchange or his analysis of the Sphere Builders would've gotten him academic and research attention.

They may indeed have gotten other job offers, but keep in mind that most of the people on Enterprise WANTED to be there, because it was an opportunity to explore deep space.

Until Columbia launched, Enterprise was really the only game in town for humans who wanted to do that.
 
True, but they all were emotionally and physically worn out from the Xindi mission. Under those circumstances, they might be more likely to entertain other offers.
 
True, but they all were emotionally and physically worn out from the Xindi mission. Under those circumstances, they might be more likely to entertain other offers.

I would have been happy if they had just received much deserved promotions!

I, too, enjoyed Hernandez as a Captain. And the whole plot was a wasted opportunity. But let's face it, Trip's departure was only to add angst to the Trip/T'Pol story. It would've been interesting to see how Kelby truly acted as Chief Engineer. My assumption is that we may not have seen him because Trip would have probably been Alpha shift , while Kelby (if next in seniority) would be head of a different shift - so he wouldn't actually be working WITH Trip. But, they did throw his character under the bus,,that's for sure.
 
Kelby was not really a memorable character. It was only after researching for this thread that I realised there was a Kelby in the mirror universe (he was killed by the Gorn).

Trip aboard the Columbia is theoretically interesting, but I don't really want him to be apart from the NX-01 crew. The Columbia was only really interesting because Trip was there.

Admittedly the way they got Trip back on the Enterprise was a bit contrived. The way he took his job back reminded me of Kirk's treatment of Decker in TMP!
 
i was just thinking ..if Kelby was second in seniority and next up in line for Chief Engineer, then he really should have been offered the job aboard Columbia when she launched. He DID have more deep space experience, and experience in warp 5 engines, than probably any engineer on Earth.

If they didn't want to give him the job during the ship's launch, they certainly should've offered to him when Trip returned to Enterprise and "bumped" him. At least that's my opinion. But, I guess they wanted to keep him around to act all melancholy and pissed off in Bound.
 
There was a Trek FM podcast which mentioned the possibility of Trip bumping into Amanda Cole on the Columbia. There were other plot ideas mentioned but I forgot which episodes they were at. I also find it hard to believe Hernandez would just approve Trip's request to go back to Enterprise when he's the best of the best. If he was on Columbia longer, it would have given more meaning to his reunion to T'Pol.

http://www.trek.fm/warp-five/80
 
What I liked about Trip's involvement with Columbia was how the whole situation investigated the politics of "who you know" and what that can do for you. Trip's recognising an opportunity to kill 2 birds with one stone and his ability to negotiate within it almost added a kind of reality to this storyline. The high regard Trip's earned from both of these captains isn't just about the satisfaction of a job well-done. It's another ace in deck, to use at his own discretion, without being overly concerned about who else this may affect ... like Kelby, who has no political sense, whatsoever. Trip's control over his career is nicely showcased, thanks to Columbia and gave him the impression of being upwardly mobile, if you will.
 
It's funny how Archer doesn't have any personnel immediately under his wing who are incompetent fools, but Trip, whose lowliest underling must surely have a PhD in physics has to rely on Kelby's half-assing it all the time. I never really bought that aspect of Kelby, that he wasn't a solid, reliable engineer, although his being a tosser was a thoroughly convincing aspect of his character.
 
I guessed that Kelby was competent at the technical stuff, but not at management.
Yes, in the scene in Bound where T'Pol is trying to convince Trip to stay on Enterprise, she states that "Kelby is a fine engineer...".
 
There's one instance where Archer demanded more speed from the Enterprise engines and Kirby was falling short. Archer had to advise him that Trip got some greater percentage of power, some way, which Kirby was then able to provide. But, again, we're talking about Trip's people, here. Maybe Kirby's not the only one who's not that great with management. Of course, all of this is just to remind the audience that Enterprise is where Trip belongs. After this whole fiasco, not too much was made out of any of it, though, really ...
 
I guessed that Kelby was competent at the technical stuff, but not at management.
Yes, in the scene in Bound where T'Pol is trying to convince Trip to stay on Enterprise, she states that "Kelby is a fine engineer...".

I imagine that Kelby was more than competent - since he was second to Trip on Earth's first warp 5 starship. But competence isn't everything. His interpersonal skills were probably far inferior to Trip's.

And come to think of it, on Bound, when he is bitching and moaning to the Orion...I've known people like that!:rolleyes:
 
thing that annoyed me most was they screwed up kelby's rank an no one caught it
i take it the old assistant chief engineer died or something (hess)
 
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