I think this would be great. I think one aspect of Kes that would be fun to explore is to her view on time and lifespan.
The One Thing You Could Change, VOYAGER Edition...
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I would have given Neelix another dimension to his character that's a little more influenced by his dark past. Like, he has trust issues and his boisterous funny guy personality is something he thinks he needs to show to be liked.
Was it his parents? I honestly couldn’t remember him having family. I think if he doesn’t have anyone back home his character will work better because the episodes where he changes the timeline back so he was stuck on Voyager, or used time travel communication to save Voyager and extend his stay on the ship make a whole lot more sense when he thinks of the ship as his proper home and family and has the background to support it. It would be interesting if 7 did get closer, platonically, to Kim just from them both truly believing in the crew as family.
Doesn’t he have PTSD from the destruction of his planet? He might have showed it all of once though. If not if he at least had chronic depression to go with the funny man facade that would give a lot of depth and be real.
Harry has parents. Watch the episode Author, Author in season 7. Among other things going on, it's the first time they have real time communication with the Alpha Quadrant. You get to see him talk to his parents. Plus there was a young woman he was engaged to. For that check out Non Sequiter in season two.
I believe he did see the crew as another family. That was one of my favorite things about the show, the sense of family. But his main reason in the episode you mention (Timeless, season 5) was to save all their lives.
Neelix does indeed have PTSD and survivor's guilt from being the only member of his family to survive. And he hides it behind the a cheerful mask.
Even as early as Caretaker Harry's parents were mentioned - his mother contacted Janeway because he left his clarinet behind.
You only ever really see that aspect of his characters two or three times. If you never watched Jetrel, Mortal Coil or Homestead you'd think he was just a silly fun loving alien happy to have found a new home. Even in Fair Trade you don't really see it, you just see insecurity that Voyager only likes him for his knowledge of the area.
Only one thing?
Get rid of the holodecks. I hate holodeck episodes. You'd think a ship in Voyager's position would have wanted to conserve power anyway and have them permanently switched off, ripped out and converted into something else.
Get rid of the holodecks. I hate holodeck episodes. You'd think a ship in Voyager's position would have wanted to conserve power anyway and have them permanently switched off, ripped out and converted into something else.
How many characters could you totally change by deleting just three episode?
Most or all?
I think Rise and Once Upon a Time could be included as well.
I like VOY. My #2 trek. Time for a rewatch, in fact. But man, was there ever so much wasted potential in a Trek series? Several of the concepts above are killer, esp Janeway in over her head. Not every captain can be awesome. Woulda been too sexist for the first female captain. But not having a reset and holodecks and endless shuttles. And everyone so clean. 
It would have been glorious.
It would have been glorious.
This is exactly what I find so fascinating about VOY - it's an amazing concept for Star Trek. The mixed crew, the setting, the isolation are teriffic ingredients.
But other than the odd line here and there and superficially referencing their situation, broadly speaking most VOY episodes could have taken place in the Alpha Quadrant.
Just one thing.. Don't do the end of episode reset.. Have damage done on the ship have to be repaired, something traumatizing to a crew memeber having repercusions down the line. Not an complete serialized arc, but just have the show move on from episode to episode.
That's my feelings too. I think VOY has insane amount of potential and not just because they are lost in space. I think the mixed crew, and the struggles that come from their isolation are huge story potential. And not in a BSG dour, doom and gloom way, but in an actual optimistic and capable way. Feeling very pioneering and Western style in terms of them thriving out on that frontier without supports.
Absolutely. Huge potential that I think was largely squandered.
And while I wouldn't have wanted seven seasons of Year Of Hell, a nudge in that BSG direction would definately have been appreciated.
I think a small nudge would have been fine too. I think there is a huge gulf between Voyager's rather consequence free life and BSG's constant survival mode.
Something like the 2nd episode, there on there way, and maquis crew in there a signed places. Then they have a Long discussion on fuel, power etc. That will run out and wear down. And threw the series show low fuel, dilithium, replicator mass etc
Yeah, I didn't know I was supposed to dislike Wesley Crusher until I tried to enjoy Star Trek on the internet.
Funny thing... I watched TNG and frankly didn't dislike very much about it. I didn't sit around pining miserably because the show wasn't exactly what I wanted... I just don't think like that. It is what it is. I liked the characters, including Wesley and still do. Opinions don't turn into facts because some fools repeat the same rhetoric over and over. You just basically said you enjoyed VOY until others ruined it for you. I'm the same way with VOY... sure there are a few episodes I didn't care for... "Jetrel" and "Warlord" to name acouple, but overall I wouldn't have changed anything...
BSG? Really? Correct me if I'm wrong, but BSG in all it's incarnations totals 5 seasons including one partial season over 40 years. Star Trek is what? 35 seasons and 13 sucessful movies with no end in sight? I love Voyager. I love the stories and the only thing they did wrong if I were to indulge myself is casting a poor actor to play Neelix. He wasn't able to play the part the way it needed to be played and came off looking like an obnoxious stooge. I think some people look past how bad Neelix was and just see the potential of what he could have been. I really hate shows the have a stupid long running story arc that gets dragged out for a few episodes at the start of the season, a few episodes at the end of the season, and during sweeps week. "The Dead Zone" used to do it... it just felt like they were extending some plot way beyond it's useful shelf lfe.
And "Year of Hell" wasn't worth a season long story arc... The whole point of that episode was everything the weapon destroyed would be restored if the weapon was turned on itself. Every race that was erased from history, every planet, every item... including the destruction of Annorax's civilization and the death of his wife would be completely restored, because the weapon have never existed to cause all the havoc. This was the entire point of the story... not what happened to Voyager .People see this as oh, another story that's forgotten about by the end of the episodes... Not at all. Everything that happened to Voyager was for effect. The story was in the irony that the answer Annorax sought was right under his nose the whole time. Erase the weapon from history to restore his civilization. That's the story's big moment, but everyone was wrapped up in the action to really understand the story.
Yes, BSG, slightly. Emphasis on slightly. VOY's premise is all about being lost, isolated and stranded. Why not play with that just a little...?
Year of Hell is a well done episode. Maybe not season long but more than a 2 parter.
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