Too much CSI: Picard?
The Confederation Timeline (Bizarro World)
- Thread starter Admiral Jean-Luc Picard
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Too much, Zzzzzzzzz...
I liked it.
Still the same plot device.
I liked it.
That's good, for you. Glad you enjoyed it. For me? It was more dull nostalgia slop.
Like many people in positions of power, they will say whatever will benefit them at that exact time and it will mean nothing... until it comes in useful centuries later.
Nope.
I mean, what would you do, live in the Confederation bizarro world or go back in time and fix history?
A "Q lesson" is fine for an episode, but not an entire season of a show. That's why I firmly believe the Confederation timeline was very real and not just a Q fantasy world.
Walk off the sound stage to my trailer, shaking my head and muttering "Who writes this stuff?"
RE: "Parallels"
So, we have 263,000 different timelines, all close enough to be recognizable by our crew, because the Enterprise exists in all of them. Somehow, each one is a distinctive universe? From the birth of the universe, forward?
Not remotely buying that they aren't alternate timelines that diverged. And, if one wants to be hardcore, from a storytelling perspective, it is a difference that makes no difference.
So, we have 263,000 different timelines, all close enough to be recognizable by our crew, because the Enterprise exists in all of them. Somehow, each one is a distinctive universe? From the birth of the universe, forward?
Not remotely buying that they aren't alternate timelines that diverged. And, if one wants to be hardcore, from a storytelling perspective, it is a difference that makes no difference.
Yes, that's correct.
Generally, Star Trek has portrayed an alternate timeline as writing over the current timeline, like a Rubix cube reorienting itself. The only way to get the prime timeline back is to change the past again, restoring the prime timeline which writes over the alternate timeline. The only real exception to this is the "Kevlin Timeline."
Yes, then our understanding of the universe has evolved, in the intervening years. So, now, what we once considered a parallel universe is now an alternate timeline.
Those 263,000 alternate universes are simply universes where someone went right instead of left.
Great novel series out there, called Star Trek: Crucible, where it explores the lives lived by Kirk, Spock and McCoy, following a failed attempt to return to the future, in "The City on the Edge of Forever".
Says who? If there's an infinite multiverse or a shit-ton, these parallel worlds would exist without time travel as an origin.
Why is this limited to decisions? These parallel worlds could also be the result of events just happening differently without being affected by someone making a different decision.
Noted, though I'm not one to read novels based on TV shows. However, I'm sure there's plenty of TOS fans who'll want to check those out. Is that episode as good as people say? I'm revisiting TOS S1, been years since I watched these episodes.
"City..."? I continue to enjoy it, and I've seen it at least 40 times in my 53 years.
I saw it on TV a few times (once anyway) as a kid, and maybe once or twice on DVD before I upgraded it to Blu-ray. From the broadcast-era Treks, TOS (and TAS) is the one show I'm least familiar with. By consequence, I am having FAR too much fun watching this on Blu-ray.
Without sentient interference, they would have no real reason to operate differently, in two different universes where the physical laws are the same.
It seems that in Star Trek, parallel universes don't branch exactly, as they each have their own quantum signature. They show what could've happened, but they share an identical past, not a common past.
Whenever time travel happens it alters the timeline, so you have to fix the changes to get back to the future you recognise.
Whenever time travel happens it alters the timeline, so you have to fix the changes to get back to the future you recognise.
Parallel worlds are not limited to making different decisions. What if Bob's house was trashed by a fallen tree, but in another world, this didn't happen, because the tree fell due to a bard storm that didn't happen in Bob's world? That's the beauty of fun of parallel worlds. I love how Fringe introduced the idea of the multiverse but focused on one parallel world instead of many so there could be an ongoing storyline. Kind of off topic, but when I think of parallel worlds in fiction, I think of Star Trek's Mirror Universe, the TNG episode where Worf hops universes, and Fringe.
Stargate did a few banger episodes too. 
If all other conditions are equal, and the physical laws the same, why would the storm happen in one universe and not another?
Same reason why Bob makes a different decision.
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