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The Buried Age (Spoilers!)

FWIW, I too thought Janeway's appearance was in keeping with the Treklit's Small-Universe Syndrome. At least it was just her in this one, but IMHO it shouldn't have been her.

I knew I heard the name "Karapleedeez" before! Wasn't she supposed to be Greek? I'm a Greek-American, and now I feel like I've lost one of the few Greeks to show up on Trek. ...Compare any ethnicity to the number of Brits/Irish. But I can't get too worked up about it, given how I liked the Kreetassan/Kreetassans. Christopher, throw in a Greek in your next work and we'll call it even. :lol:

Though one thing that did bother me was Ariel's "ascension" at the end. I didn't buy that "metamorphosing" into an incorporeal life-form was as quick and easy a process as that. Some of her contemporaries managed the process, okay, but it didn't work for me it being as easy as her wanting it to happen.

On the up-side, none of the production crew names meant a thing to me, and half of the "little people" I didn't remember but appreciated them being there later. And, again, it wouldn't have worked if there weren't enough new characters to fill out the universe. Kudos using a "Korolev Class" ship for this very reason.
 
FatherRob said:
though I still swear I saw Vaughn's name popped in somewhere. The Universe is big. No need to make it artifically small. :)

Elias Vaughn was mentionedand only in an off-hand manner that made perfect sense given that it has already been established that they have known each ohter since 2343. Nothing "artificial" about it.
 
FatherRob said:
Janeway's appearance alone was enough. ;) The lines fell flat, there was no reason that Janeway had to be there. There was nothing distinct (save for the part about Mark) that really struck me as Janeway-esque... and I didn't see a reason for the diversion.

I needed a Starfleet science officer at that point, and since it was a prominent character, I wanted it to be someone familiar. Janeway was the only established character I could think of who was a science officer in 2359.

I could have sworn that Elias Vaughn got mentioned at least once.

Alluded to twice, but I didn't think your complaint extended to passing mentions of a character's name. Anyway, he's already been established as a longtime friend of Picard's, so it makes sense that he'd come up from time to time.

Karapleedeez was a very welcome addition, and had a substantially meaningful role... but the sheer number of people... not all of them had to be involved in the aspects of Picard's life discussed in TBA.

Maybe not, but that's a matter of taste. As I saw it, given how many old friends of Picard's we met over the course of the series, it would've been kind of redundant to leave them out and add even more old friends and colleagues we'd never heard of. And I wanted to give more weight to these old friendships than just the single isolated appearances we got onscreen.

Also, as I discuss on my site, I was aware of the difficulties of telling a prequel story, knowing that its events would not be alluded to in the series that followed. Part of the reason I put in so many continuity ties is so that it would feel as though these events had followups in TNG itself -- in this case, that Picard's friendships with these characters had their basis at least partly in the events of the book.


I dunno, I didn't really take Janeway being all that friendly... no more so than any other Admiral that called to badger Picard (for example, Admiral Blackwell in "The Pegasus"). If Picard and Janeway had exchanged any dialouge of substance in Nemesis then I could understand it...

The novel Homecoming portrayed Picard and Janeway as being on warm, familiar terms at the time Voyager returned to the Alpha Quadrant. I was tying in to that as well. But I guess you don't like ties to other novel series -- to each his own.


The Universe is big. No need to make it artifically small. :)

I think it would be a lot more artificial if none of the old friends and colleagues Picard was established to have in TNG had appeared at any point during the nine years prior.

I guess my problem is that it seems that it was four or five years of playing Ahab and the Whale, and then getting rewarded for that. I don't work for Starfleet, but I would have had Picard's ass on a spit pretty quickly. He did seem comprimised, first with Quinn, then with Hanson. He wasn't fit for command in his state(s) and should never have been given the Enterprise.

The length and focus of the novel didn't leave me room to do more than allude to all the deft diplomatic and strategic work he did while serving under Admiral Hanson. Yes, he was personally obsessed with pursuing the Manraloth, but for three years he had no leads to follow and kept occupied doing the other work Hanson assigned him. To him, those things felt like distractions from his real purpose, but he still did them well and Starfleet appreciated his accomplishments. (And if any of my colleagues ever wanted to do a novel exploring those three years between Parts III and IV, I'd be interested to see that.)

I almost started a tally chart... composers, directors, etc... but that would have been kinda silly... right.

Didn't I kinda do that on my annotations page? ;)


ronny said:
I rather enjoyed the book and wasn't put off by the references... I like the story and writing and would give it thumbs up.

Thank you!

But yeah, thought BA was good and am looking forward to Christopher's TNG novel which I believe is coming out next year.

Yep, August '08. Which means there's a chance it might debut at Shore Leave. Well, assuming I get it done on time... ;)

Arpy said:
FWIW, I too thought Janeway's appearance was in keeping with the Treklit's Small-Universe Syndrome. At least it was just her in this one, but IMHO it shouldn't have been her.

Well, sorry, but I like Janeway. Not the Janeway of later seasons, maybe, but the early Janeway developed by Jeri Taylor and Michael Piller, definitely.

I knew I heard the name "Karapleedeez" before! Wasn't she supposed to be Greek?

Some have speculated that based on the way the name sounded. Canonically, all that's known is that Onna Karapleedeez was a noted Starfleet captain of unknown sex and species who died in late 2364.

Christopher, throw in a Greek in your next work and we'll call it even. :lol:

Well, there is a character whose mother is named Antigone.

Though one thing that did bother me was Ariel's "ascension" at the end. I didn't buy that "metamorphosing" into an incorporeal life-form was as quick and easy a process as that. Some of her contemporaries managed the process, okay, but it didn't work for me it being as easy as her wanting it to happen.

It wasn't. She'd already set the process in motion some time before -- this was just its culmination. The scene took place over three weeks after she and her fellows made the decision to ascend/transcend/sublime/whatever.

For precedent, consult TNG's "Transfigurations" or VGR's "The Gift," both of which show the final transition to incorporeality taking place in moments.

On the up-side, none of the production crew names meant a thing to me, and half of the "little people" I didn't remember but appreciated them being there later. And, again, it wouldn't have worked if there weren't enough new characters to fill out the universe. Kudos using a "Korolev Class" ship for this very reason.

Actually, the Korolev Class comes from an onstage Okudagram and the ST Encyclopedia:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Korolev_class

Although the vessel name USS Puttkamer was my own coinage, after the NASA engineer who was the science advisor for ST:TMP.
 
Christopher said:
Although the vessel name USS Puttkamer was my own coinage, after the NASA engineer who was the science advisor for ST:TMP.

A small point regarding your annotations for The Buried Age: Jesco von Puttkamer was trained as a space vehicle dynamicist (he wrote his Diplom-Ingenieur thesis on hypersonic reentry mechanics) at Technische Hochschule Aachen, not as a propulsion engineer. After relocating to to the United States in 1962 he went to work as Special Assistant to the Director in Dr. Ernst Geissler's Aero-Astrodynamics Laboratory at NASA-MSFC during the development of the Saturn V booster for Apollo. JvP also worked on the ASTP and Skylab missions before moving to NASA HQ in Washington, D.C. to head up strategic planning. Coincidentally, von Puttkamer was also a very highly regarded LitSF writer and translator in (West) Germany during his graduate student days. :)

TGT
 
I just wanted to weigh in quickly on the "too much name-dropping" complaint. I, for one, found all the connections of old friends completely believable. At nearly 50, I'm still in close touch with many of my college friends as well as friends from job postings around the country. Many of us still say we'd drop anything for a decent chance to work together again. So Picard's contact with the same people over and over again and his desire to staff the Ent-D with former colleagues rings completely true to me. That's how life works.

Good job, Christopher. A good yarn well executed.
 
I may blather in a bit more detail later, but for now, the short version: pretty darn good.
 
Just finished TBA last night (it took forever for this to show up here in Vegas) and really enjoyed it. It falls into that category of Trek novel that succeeds both as an independent SF novel and a Trek novel. While still building off the rich Trek Universe, you've introduced a ton of fascinating new stuff. You took a real world science fact, in this case the Permian-Triassic Extinction Event and spun a great story out of it by asking the simple question "What if it happened not just on Earth, but EVERYWHERE?". And in the best Trek tradition, you turned the whole thing into a cautionary morality tale.

One of my favorite little bits: "Even Ferenginar's best paid scientists..." Of course the Ferengi would judge scientists based on how much you paid them, not their actual abilities...

And the bit later on when you stated that Earth pretty much dropped android development after the robotic assassins of WWIII...subtle reference to the Terminators? Or just a coincidence?

And count me in the "didn't mind it" category regarding the name dropping. Who else would Picard choose for his senior staff but (mostly) people he had already met?
 
Mike Farley said:
Just finished TBA last night (it took forever for this to show up here in Vegas) and really enjoyed it. It falls into that category of Trek novel that succeeds both as an independent SF novel and a Trek novel. While still building off the rich Trek Universe, you've introduced a ton of fascinating new stuff.

Thank you!

You took a real world science fact, in this case the Permian-Triassic Extinction Event and spun a great story out of it by asking the simple question "What if it happened not just on Earth, but EVERYWHERE?".

More the other way around, actually. I came up with the wider cataclysm first and then decided to synch it up with a known extinction event on Earth -- and which one would be better than the biggest one ever?


And the bit later on when you stated that Earth pretty much dropped android development after the robotic assassins of WWIII...subtle reference to the Terminators? Or just a coincidence?

A Terminator connection never even occurred to me. I just wanted to offer some explanation for why Trek-universe robotics is so backward in relation to the current rate of advance in the field.

And count me in the "didn't mind it" category regarding the name dropping. Who else would Picard choose for his senior staff but (mostly) people he had already met?

Indeed. As I said, it's canonical that he hand-picked Riker, Geordi and Tasha, and that in the latter two cases it was because of his prior encounters with them. All I did was add two other examples, Data and Deanna. Well, three if you count transporter chief Ryder.
 
Personally, I kinda like the fact that you have included his first meetings with his future crew, it makes sense that he would want people he knows on his ship, just like Riker did on Titan. I'm very curious to see how those character firgure into the story, because where I am he's only met Data so far.
Picard just realized that Ariel has been using her communication abilities to manipulate them
 
Christopher said:
… I like Janeway. Not the Janeway of later seasons, maybe, but the early Janeway developed by Jeri Taylor and Michael Piller, definitely.

Me too!

Jeri Taylor’s Mosaic and Pathways still feel more like “real” VOY than half the TV series. Yes, I am a Trek dork.

But what I was trying to get at is that I didn’t think any pre-established character should have shown up like that – just a Treklit peeve of mine.

Well, there is a character whose mother is named Antigone.

Could you possibly have remembered… In any case, this is another reason why you are a beautiful man.
 
Arpy said:
But what I was trying to get at is that I didn’t think any pre-established character should have shown up like that – just a Treklit peeve of mine.

Yeah, I got that. But the fact is, I was the one doing the book ;) , and I wanted to use Janeway. In fact, I just went through some old story notes the other day, and I found my brief half-page story concept for the Picard's-lost-years trilogy I wanted to do years and years ago, and Janeway was mentioned as part of the story even then, even though the story I had in mind then was totally different from The Buried Age. I just wanted to see Janeway as a science officer, and this book was in the right time frame for that.

Well, there is a character whose mother is named Antigone.

Could you possibly have remembered… In any case, this is another reason why you are a beautiful man.

Thanks, though I have no idea what you mean here. I just liked the character of Antigone in Sophocles's plays.
 
I was just reading Ariel's description of Manroloth history, and I was wondering if her reference to weakened non-corporel beings in our dimension was supposed to be referring to all of the different beings that they ran into during the TOS? Like the (*) entity, Gorgon, and Redjac.
 
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