The Aquatic ship at the end of "zero hour"

[Tribble puncher]

Did it go back in time with the Enterprise? I'm surprised Enterprise didn't attempt to contact them for help when they realized they had traveled back in time. Then again, Daniels did have something to do with it, so perhaps they were sent back the moment they left the aquatic ship?? Just a random thought while netflixing enterprise.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Daniels did have something to do with it, so perhaps they were sent back the moment they left the aquatic ship??

That's always been my thought. AFAIK, there was no sign of the Xindi ship (or any other) once the Enterprise entered Earth orbit. They didn't bother looking for it though, because they were too busy being shot at by 1940's planes.

 

[Robert D. Robot]

I always made the assumption, too, that the NX-01 did the time traveling after leaving the Aquatic's ship, otherwise the the two ships would have gotten in contact with each other. I would have liked to have seen some indication that the Enterprise tried to reach out to the Aquatics to see if they were around.

The transition to the past was way too smooth compared to other Trek Time Travel. Maybe not, though (Daniels seemed to make changes in venue happen pretty seamlessly). Although it might have been nice to perhaps have the Enterprise hit even a slight distortion wave (or something) to give an indication that (when the characters later recalled the "bump") something had indeed happened, but that would have tipped us off to be on the lookout for something odd to be happening!

 

[F. King Daniel]

We're supposed to believe the Enterprise was dislocated after leaving the Aquatic ship, even though Archer was moved to the alternate past hours(?) earlier, when the Clockwork Death Star explodes.

But, a few episodes earlier in "E2", Travis immediately noticed Enterprise was in the wrong time because the stars were out of place. And, despite being even further back this time, he doesn't notice.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The transition to the past was way too smooth compared to other Trek Time Travel. Maybe not, though (Daniels seemed to make changes in venue happen pretty seamlessly). Although it might have been nice to perhaps have the Enterprise hit even a slight distortion wave (or something) to give an indication that (when the characters later recalled the "bump") something had indeed happened, but that would have tipped us off to be on the lookout for something odd to be happening!

I always thought Daniels' seamless time travelling (as seen in "Azati Prime" and "Zero Hour" and others) was really cool. The novel "Watching the Clock" calls it "Quantum tunnelling", and explains that it transitions in such a way that our brains can't translate, so it acts like a blind spot.

That doesn't explain why it didn't set off a ton of computer alarms, if he shifted a whole starship back that way. Nor why, if Daniels is that powerful, he took a severely damaged 22nd century ship with barely half a crew left alive on it when he could have plucked anyone from anywhen to do his bidding. Although I guess they (or at least Archer) were already versed in the TCW.

 

[Tribble puncher]

The transition to the past was way too smooth compared to other Trek Time Travel. Maybe not, though (Daniels seemed to make changes in venue happen pretty seamlessly). Although it might have been nice to perhaps have the Enterprise hit even a slight distortion wave (or something) to give an indication that (when the characters later recalled the "bump") something had indeed happened, but that would have tipped us off to be on the lookout for something odd to be happening!

I always thought Daniels' seamless time travelling (as seen in "Azati Prime" and "Zero Hour" and others) was really cool. The novel "Watching the Clock" calls it "Quantum tunnelling", and explains that it transitions in such a way that our brains can't translate, so it acts like a blind spot.

That doesn't explain why it didn't set off a ton of computer alarms, if he shifted a whole starship back that way. Nor why, if Daniels is that powerful, he took a severely damaged 22nd century ship with barely half a crew left alive on it when he could have plucked anyone from anywhen to do his bidding. Although I guess they (or at least Archer) were already versed in the TCW.

Thats what never made sense to me about the temporal cold war, could they (they being the various temporal factions) or couldn't they visit alternate histories or futures? Why didn't daniels send back the crew of the enterprise-j? it would have been orders of magnitude more powerful....and had a lot more options available to it as opposed to the crippled nx-01. surely daniels is at multiple places in the time stream simultaneously "directing" key people and events....so why nx-01?

 

[Skywalker]

Maybe something or someone was blocking him off from those other timestreams, leaving only the 2150s available to him. Or maybe he'd just come to trust Archer and his crew more than anyone else he'd worked with.

 

[Timo]

Maybe something or someone was blocking him off from those other timestreams, leaving only the 2150s available to him.

Indeed, if Daniels was in a position to choose, would he be in such a sorry state? He's on the losing side of a battle when he sends Archer and the ship to 1944.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Tribble puncher]

Maybe something or someone was blocking him off from those other timestreams, leaving only the 2150s available to him.

Indeed, if Daniels was in a position to choose, would he be in such a sorry state? He's on the losing side of a battle when he sends Archer and the ship to 1944.

Timo Saloniemi

Wouldn't Daniels exist at all points and parallel time lines simultaneously? so a more pristine daniels could get a better equipped ship (such as the a future enterprise) hell, why doesn't he do it himself?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Duplicates of him exist in parallel timelines, hence him living on at the end of "Storm Front" when we saw him die. But he's not one omnipresent entity.

I guess it's his familiarity with Archer that led him to choose him and the NX-01. I don't think the Enterprise-E or whatever's technology would have made any difference in the situation.

 

[deltaqudarant88778]

Did it go back in time with the Enterprise? I'm surprised Enterprise didn't attempt to contact them for help when they realized they had traveled back in time. Then again, Daniels did have something to do with it, so perhaps they were sent back the moment they left the aquatic ship?? Just a random thought while netflixing enterprise.

I had the same thoughts, doubts about the plot at this point, thinking about what's going on in the writers heads! The convenience of it all and how can the time travelling Nazi Alien thwarting Enterprise crew's storyline explain or just dismiss the Aquatic's vessel and crew's experience, leaving them out of the equation.

Some points to consider-
Temporal Cold War,
means used to time travel people, and whole ships in all of the Star trekking history,
Subspace corridors & vortices in this series' storyline signifcance
The Xindi's success in utilising these corridors to save time,
Alternate Enterprise E² 117 year mishap with the 11.6 light year subspace corridor,
and Daniels' mission and abilities for the preservation of The Prime Timeline Ultimately being the most important objective.

I've watched Enterprise about 4 times start to finish, and just now after watching the season 3 Zero Hour episode finalé, I decided to delve into this seemingly inconsistent mistake?.. or is it...
It makes sense how Archer was taken back by Daniels in a way consistent with earlier episodes and every other series, like walking through a door, entering a turbo lift, the time portal/The keeper of time.. or Q? but its pre-Q, so no. However the whole ship in most if not all Star Trek series' time travel methods of moving an entire ship to another time/timeline always required a dramatic and more explainable science-driven theory, consistent with all the brand's storylines and series, means of time travelling a ship, requiring something explainable that follows along with all Star Treks time travel theories throughout all the different series, means like using high speed time warps around the sun, Alien influence of warp engines, a time crystal in an actual time machine/suit, these are all very memorable displays of time travel,
But in Enterprise Season 3 episode 21 "E2" we saw how the storyline focused more on the relationship dynamics and the Why more than the how relative to the science after the subspace corridor that caused the alternate generational Enterprise crew threw them back, 117years, ultimately failing twice.
And this crew, still on the same mission while trying stop their younger crew from making their same mistake and focusing on how the relationship between T'pol and Trip would come to flourish.
That particular Enterprise ship made contact, to prevent the original crew from travelling back 117 years in to the past, an unsuccessful attempt At traversing subspace corridors.
These subspace corridors are used successfully all the time by the Xindi, not all of these corridors are the same, the one in "E2" they travel 11.6 lightyears in minutes, the Aquatics got Enterprise back within a day from the vicinity of Sphere 41 but no information on how much distance in light years saved, but definitely less time than it would take to reach Earth from the Delphic Expanse even in a fully operational Aquatics ship, so from that, the only explanation that seems plausible to me is the subspace corridor the Aquatics used to get Enterprise back to Earth was used by Daniels to get Enterprise back to the same time as its captain to continue the plot of the temporal cold war.
As for the Aquatics, well from the undocking and fairwell it makes sense they then jumped to warp to get back to the subspace corridor and back to Xindi territory, leaving no time, ironically, to notice anything wrong with the stars and contact Enterprise.
Even so if the Aquatics got back home to then realise a change in time, communication with Enterprise might still be possible given the communication buoys left deep into the expanse for Earth to Enterprise communication availability.
So I believe Daniels did the same thing, using the subspace corridor, to the Aquatics to get them back to their mean-time, all with the upmost importance to the Prime Time line without anyone but the Enterprise crew their part to play and anyone else for that matter for the sake of secrecy in regards to keeping it out of the time travelling temporal cold War Nazi aliens or any other temporal cold War candidates attentions, therefore off the time travel radar all in order to prevent more incursions, ultimately preserving the Prime Timeline and the Federation.

 

[deltaqudarant88778]

Duplicates of him exist in parallel timelines, hence him living on at the end of "Storm Front" when we saw him die. But he's not one omnipresent entity.

I guess it's his familiarity with Archer that led him to choose him and the NX-01. I don't think the Enterprise-E or whatever's technology would have made any difference in the situation.

Haha! Yes a good one.. I would definitely choose better technologies especially if its a ship laden with time travelling tech, the Enterprise-J was the one Daniels took Archer to to give him the Xindi relic, and that was according to Daniels an event Daniels and his time cops were observing, so not sure if that's his time or if he's from after or has the ability to view and step into any time, but besides the pont I think thd temporal cold War plot needed to be addressed for the series to get back to exploring but then being cut short again and having to police about every situation basically cleaning up everyone's (soong's/romulans/klingons) mess.
Enterprise series in a nutshell is the establishment of the necessity of the idea of the Federation.
Plus.. how else would there have been a season 4?
if in order to preserve the
Prime-Timeline, Daniels has to use the tools in each Timeline, that is the foundation of the whole Enterprise dash nothing series

 

[deltaqudarant88778]

It's all relevant

 

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