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StarKiller {SPOILER}

In fact, it's been shown that planet-based shields can deflect Star Destroyer fire back at them (which requires ground assaults to overcome).
 
Guys, physics 101 - if you drain matter from a star it starts to eat the heavier elements within itself. Each time the weapon is charged the star would get bigger.

But they specifically said the light would go out, which implies it's drained most if not all of the star's elements. Which in the real world would send the star super nova.
 
The funny thing is that the empire/1st Order really does not need to build these giant superweapons like the Death Star and the Star Killer. The Star Destroyer itself is a powerful weapon capable of devastating a planet's surface from orbit. A fleet of star destroyers should be able to easily reduce any planet of the Resistance to ruin.

Something never demonstrated in any of the films.

Well, Clone Wars and Rebels are canon as well. That said, I can't with say authority whether or not such has been established.

However, it's an obvious conclusion to come to. We as humans here on Earth have the power to devastate our own world and reduce it to rubble and we don't even need a fleet of giant Star Destroyers in orbit with advanced weapons to do it.
 
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So the super weapon isn't scientifically sound?


No shit, I hear Tie Fighters shouldn't make a sound in space either. ;)
 
A civilization that can build a Starkiller Base would never need it.

What I mean by this. We're talking about a work of massive planetary engineering. Assuming an Earth-size planet, the trench alone would be thousands, if not tens of thousands, of miles long. It looked that they cut down into the mantle, if not the core -- without triggering massive lava eruptions or rendering the planet uninhabitable.
Isn't that inherent in being able to build the Death Stars, though?

Okay, those rendered the planet uninhabitable. :p Still, it seems to me like that gets you 90% of the way to the trench. "Just" scale the power down, fire it off, and let the planet's rotation through the beam carve the trench.
 
Only the movies are canon really and Han says the entire fleet couldn't do what the DS did to Alderaan. I just ignore all the EU stuff and judge plots on my own.
 
The main overarching goal for Starkiller Base in the trilogy is likely to cripple the New Republic in the opening shot of the war so that the Resistance can't just fallback on the Republic Fleet for their firepower. The Republic should have enough firepower to take on the First Order normally, just had to use the Resistance due to treaty restrictions.

The "space is small" does mess things up a bit, but I get that the story wanted the heroes to see the destruction of the Republic planets...it just doesn't work in any reality.

As for the power source, this is the Base's second shot. Either the system had two suns, the star is restarted after each blast, or Starkiller Base has a hyperdrive and moves system to system to get recharged. The first shot did not have the base in darkness and all the stormtroopers were outside to watch them take out the Republic worlds and fleet.

The Starkiller just seems so poorly thought out by everyone involved, the writers should've come up with something else. They honestly could've cut out all the Starkiller stuff and we wouldn't have missed much because the trench run stuff was pretty forgettable sadly.

I don't think anyone has ever accused JJ of properly developing antagonists. JJ is one of the rare people in the industry that could actually benefit from the use of a bit more exposition, and a little less of the macguffin.

That being said, the film accomplished what I was hoping for. A return to the original feel. It established the tone that star wars needs to have. And I fully expect Rian Johnson to create an impeccable sequel.
 
Only the movies are canon really and Han says the entire fleet couldn't do what the DS did to Alderaan. I just ignore all the EU stuff and judge plots on my own.
The EU references to Star Destroyers rendering a planet uninhabitable (Base Delta Zero) don't involve it being turned into a debris field. That's what Han said the Death Star couldn't do.

(Also, General Dodonna said the Death Star only had more "firepower than half the starfleet". While you can word-lawyer them to both be correct, it certainly implies that the Death Star's firepower can be exceeded by the entire fleet...)
 
Starkiller base - the super weapon - was the thing I was somehow most worried about before seeing this film,and it was the thing I still didn't like when it was over. To be that powerful, I like how it used the energy from the sun to get that energy. What confounded me though is that it would seemingly absorb all that energy from the sun, and everything looks dark and..

wait.. the sun does more than provide light. It makes a planet habitable. If you extinguish the sun, ... the planet won't just go dark.. all life will die. When Soran in Star Trek Generations launched the probe into the Veridian Star and that sun went dark.. I'm sorry everyone would have died instantly.

I've not seen the film, so I'm going by your post, but...


They're not the same. You're indicating the StarKiller drew power from the sun. That would not necessarily destroy the sun. The star would still have nuclear fusion on to generate energy, which can last a very long time depending on the size of the star. As the sun the Earth revolves around is reported to be really small on comparrison to the average sized star telescoped out in the cosmos, I'm sure the sun the planet the StarKiller is on, will be like the Energizer Bunny: It'll keep going, and going, and going, and going.....


While on the other hand, what happened in Generations is completely different. Soran launched a fictional substance into the sun that according to on screen dialogue, inhibited all nuclear fusion in a star, which burned it out and caused it to supernova. Again, using your post as a reference, the StarKiller doesn't appear to stop nuclear fusion.
 
Starkiller base - the super weapon - was the thing I was somehow most worried about before seeing this film,and it was the thing I still didn't like when it was over. To be that powerful, I like how it used the energy from the sun to get that energy. What confounded me though is that it would seemingly absorb all that energy from the sun, and everything looks dark and..

wait.. the sun does more than provide light. It makes a planet habitable. If you extinguish the sun, ... the planet won't just go dark.. all life will die. When Soran in Star Trek Generations launched the probe into the Veridian Star and that sun went dark.. I'm sorry everyone would have died instantly.

I've not seen the film, so I'm going by your post, but...


They're not the same. You're indicating the StarKiller drew power from the sun. That would not necessarily destroy the sun. The star would still have nuclear fusion on to generate energy, which can last a very long time depending on the size of the star. As the sun the Earth revolves around is reported to be really small on comparrison to the average sized star telescoped out in the cosmos, I'm sure the sun the planet the StarKiller is on, will be like the Energizer Bunny: It'll keep going, and going, and going, and going.....


While on the other hand, what happened in Generations is completely different. Soran launched a fictional substance into the sun that according to on screen dialogue, inhibited all nuclear fusion in a star, which burned it out and caused it to supernova. Again, using your post as a reference, the StarKiller doesn't appear to stop nuclear fusion.

The Starkiller removed all 'light' from the star, which would imply all nuclear fusion has ceased and is no longer burning… anything.
 
My head-canon is that the Starkiller Base specifically targeted the smallest, weakest and coolest stars due to the necessity of being so close to them in order to charge. It is the only thing that makes any sense to me, especially given that the planet is frozen and yet seems to be so close to the star it is leeching off of.
 
So......

When A New Hope was released, did people over-analyse this stuff aswell, or did they just enjoy it and let it be? ;) ;)

Just saying guys, it's a planet, firing a laser, powered by a sun. It's not realistic AT ALL. Who cares how it aims.
 
The more complexity you introduce to a plot device the more sense it has to make to be satisfying. Nothing in the OT has the level of complexity of Starkiller Base or how it operates. The Death Star is just a big "turbolaser" which is just a big "blaster." The details are never explained because they aren't important. Starkiller however is explained just enough to make the audience aware of how little that explanation makes sense.
 
The more complexity you introduce to a plot device the more sense it has to make to be satisfying. Nothing in the OT has the level of complexity of Starkiller Base or how it operates. The Death Star is just a big "turbolaser" which is just a big "blaster." The details are never explained because they aren't important. Starkiller however is explained just enough to make the audience aware of how little that explanation makes sense.

I think you overthink that. Trust me, 98% of the people heard the explanation, and said 'ok'.
Or, as my girlfriend said: With movies like this, I tune out the technobabble and just let the thing make boom. The science doesn't matter here.

EDIT: I really think it's important to realize that movie-makers are aware that there is a very, VERY small crowd out there that care about the science. But that group is so small, that they are not going to ruin an entire movie with an exposé on the science. Honestly, almost no one cares about that.
 
When A New Hope was released, did people over-analyse this stuff as well,
Of course they did. They just couldn't do it in real time with so many people. The letters page of Starlog often had nitpicky stuff sent in by readers.
 
And in the moment I accepted it too. Anyone who thinks back on the film will be hard pressed not to notice the holes and faults though.

And I say this as the person in my group who seemed to most enjoy the film coming out of the theater Thursday night.
 
It's about as scientific as the Genesis device turning the mutara nebula into a planet in STII:TWOK. :shrug:
No! We do not talk about the Genesis device, ever!

Red matter - dumb, nonsensical, JJ killed Star Trek, canon violation, period!

Genesis device - we do not speak of it </Worf's voice>
 
wait.. the sun does more than provide light. It makes a planet habitable. If you extinguish the sun, ... the planet won't just go dark.. all life will die. When Soran in Star Trek Generations launched the probe into the Veridian Star and that sun went dark.. I'm sorry everyone would have died instantly.

Who says it would be instantaneous? What is that based on?

Kor

I guarantee that if the sun were to go out.. everyone here would freeze instantly

Heat doesn't vanish instantly it'd take quite some time for the heat to bleed away into space/be absorbed by the masses on the planet.

And though they are interchangeable mass and energy are different, absorbing all of the energy of the star isn't the same as absorbing its mass.The weapon simply absorbed energy from the star faster than it could create it, eventually shutting off the fusion process. Some deal of mass would still remain.
 
So do we all freeze to death instantly every night?

The atmosphere is pretty good at storing and distributing heat.
 
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