Nah, that's Nemesis.TMP or…Colonoscopy?
Get the camera, Doc. I’m ready.
I think TMP is the worst Star Trek movie. Ever.
"Star Trek: The Motion Picture" or _____?
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I still had more fun watching it than Insurrection. I've read an interesting interpretation that Nemesis needs to be viewed as a horror movie.Nah, that's Nemesis.
Nah, that's Nemesis.
I’d watch Nemesis a hundred times in a row before I watch TMP again.
I don't tend to rewatch anything, but I have seen TMP more times than most of the Trek films. It's just that when I rewatched it was 22 minutes long with a Daft Punk soundtrack.
If I were older, I would've watched TMP at least a few times in the theater in 1979-'80. For sure. As far as I'm concerned: If you haven't seen it on the Big Screen, you haven't seen it. As I found out during the 40th Anniversary Screening. That wasn't just going to see a movie, it was an experience.
I also have a projector, so I can get a bit closer to that Big Screen flavor at home. Against an entire wall, the image is the equivalent of a 200-inch TV screen.
I watch all the TOS Movies every few years. If I feel up to it, and I don't want to stop, I'll continue with the TNG Movies and Picard Season 3. (I do NOT want to argue about PIC, I'm just saying what I watch). I don't bother with the Kelvin Movies.
Whenever I put on TMP, even though it's not my favorite, my appreciation for it grows more.
I also have a projector, so I can get a bit closer to that Big Screen flavor at home. Against an entire wall, the image is the equivalent of a 200-inch TV screen.
I watch all the TOS Movies every few years. If I feel up to it, and I don't want to stop, I'll continue with the TNG Movies and Picard Season 3. (I do NOT want to argue about PIC, I'm just saying what I watch). I don't bother with the Kelvin Movies.
Whenever I put on TMP, even though it's not my favorite, my appreciation for it grows more.
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Which would you rather listen to? NEMESIS wasn't nominated for musical score.
I love things in all the movies, but I would rather watch any other ST movie than watch Into Darkness again.
I grew up with the six TOS movie VHS box set, and I saw far more of those over the years than the episodes themselves, which I only saw sporadically in syndication. Probably wasn't until after high school that I finally was able to see more of the franchise as a whole.
YouTube decided to recommend TVH to me this evening, which they currently have available for free. I watched a few minutes of it, around the point where Gillian beams aboard and they take off to find the whales at sea.
All I could do was count up the number of ridiculous moments one after the other. They can beam people up from space, but have to hover right over the whales to get them. They can scan entire planets to locate one person's life signs, but have to have a primitive radio frequency to find a couple of humpback whales in the ocean. Half impulse power takes the ship through our entire solar system in about 30 seconds in TMP, but full impulse power moves them slower than your average jet to get from San Francisco to the Bering Sea about 2800 miles away. And, of course, jumping to warp while within Earth's atmosphere.
Yeah, I'd rather watch TMP any day.
All I could do was count up the number of ridiculous moments one after the other. They can beam people up from space, but have to hover right over the whales to get them. They can scan entire planets to locate one person's life signs, but have to have a primitive radio frequency to find a couple of humpback whales in the ocean. Half impulse power takes the ship through our entire solar system in about 30 seconds in TMP, but full impulse power moves them slower than your average jet to get from San Francisco to the Bering Sea about 2800 miles away. And, of course, jumping to warp while within Earth's atmosphere.
Yeah, I'd rather watch TMP any day.
Might I suggest that you might be taking TVH a bit too seriously?
I also just assume the shot of them apparently going to warp while within Earth's atmosphere isn't meant to be interpreted literally.
When was you can't warp in a planet's atmosphere established?
Too seriously? Perhaps. But when they just pile one ridiculous thing on top of another that violates everything we know about how Trek's technology works, it knocks me right out of the movie.
I've never liked this excuse. It's a live action Star Trek movie so it doesn't matter if it's a fun comedy, Voyage Home should be able to stand up to scrutiny... as much as any movie about grabbing whales from the 1980s to satisfy a whale probe can.
They had to fly near to the whales to get their signal. Then they flew closer to scare off the whaling ship so they could finish beaming them up in peace. Maybe they could've beamed them up in time instead of doing that, I don't know, I'm not Scotty.
They found the whales just fine without a radio frequency at the start of the movie, when they were just looking for any whale. By the end of the film they had decided that they preferred these whales in particular so they needed the radio frequency to locate them again and distinguish them from other whales.
Impulse power depends on what you're moving through. You can just keep accelerating in space, but in the atmosphere there's friction. Despite that they were flying at an average of 12,500 mph, or Mach 16. The fastest fighter jets tend to be in the Mach 2.5 range.
And I think Star Trek IV is the only example in Star Trek of what happens when you go to warp in an atmosphere, so it's hard to say it's breaking any rules. Maybe it just took them ages to accelerate to FTL, they were certainly chatting for a while by the whale tank.
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To be fair, I hate that they can just beam people up from orbit without a relay (I.e. communicators or transporter pad). It opens up so many silly scenarios (like why Romulans bother attacking when they could just move within transporter range and beam the bridge crew into space).
TVH had a fun story that would have been ruined by: "Scan the planet for whales and beam them up. Leave them in the transporter buffer until we get home." The end.
In some alternate universe they travelled there in a fully operational USS Enterprise and were able to beam up a cargo bay full of whales in about 10 minutes, then go straight home without ever setting foot on the planet.
One can pick the logic apart in all the movies, and ST IV is no different. I did a whole series of tongue-in-cheek articles on them.
Example: when they get a visual on the whales from 600 nautical miles/1,111 km. To even see the whales just on the horizon at such a distance, the Bird of Prey would have to be at a minimal altitude of 96,179m (315,548ft), which is up in the suborbital range where the X-15 rocket plane flew. Up there, the sky is black. That’s 9x as high as our familiar fluffy clouds go, but moments earlier—before Uhura reports the distance— we get a POV of zipping through clouds under bright blue skies. Down where the clouds are, anything over 200–280km away would be invisible over the horizon.
But it's still a fun movie despite the dumb.
