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Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x20 - "Supernova, Part 2"

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Rademaker retains the design rights to the ship.
The folks who put together the Ships of the Line Calendar had to pay him as well.
(his original design was adapted to look more like a Star Fleet ship)

He had already created the basic design when the opportunity came up to do the book cover.
He didn't sell the rights to it to CBS, he had a lawyer contract with CBS for them to use it.

STO went through CBS and Rademaker to put it in the game, that's why it was such a headache for STO to get it.
(otherwise the Dev's would have just worked with CBS)

As said before, it is also why the design can't be used for anything else.
CBS/Paramount doesn't have final say in its use.
You know what, fine, you want to claim something that no legal team would allow to happen actually happened.

Prove it.
 
You know what, fine, you want to claim something that no legal team would allow to happen actually happened.

Prove it.
I think perhaps you missed the part where Mark had his own lawyer to do the contract with CBS and that was one of his stipulations. (retaining the design rights)

And the proof has already been given to you in the fact that STO had to work with Mark as well as CBS to get it in the game, as well as it was one of the only ships from STO that couldn't be created as a actual physical model.

Not to mention the fact that Eagle Moss also had to get permission from Rademaker to include it in their starship line.
 
I think perhaps you missed the part where Mark had his own lawyer to do the contract with CBS and that was one of his stipulations. (retaining the design rights)

And the proof has already been given to you in the fact that STO had to work with Mark as well as CBS to get it in the game, as well as it was one of the only ships from STO that couldn't be created as a actual physical model.

Not to mention the fact that Eagle Moss also had to get permission from Rademaker to include it in their starship line.
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....quoting facts
 
Janeway's sacrifice and the destruction of the ship seemed the only logical conclusion, though perhaps once they knew about the Living Construct they should have thought of it earlier which would have saved a lot of lives.

That was a lot of ships and crew dead- even if some beamed off to friendly ships- some of them where destroyed with Vulcan wreckage in space.

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Would be fantastic if this battle is referenced, or better visited in Lower Decks and the Cerritos crew help recover people and ships. Would allow them to explain the fate of the Sovereign, Enterprise, Defiant, Centaur etc.

How did the kids get from space to Earth then? Esp with a load of debris in the water?

Good 'Picard speech' from Janeway on the kids behalf there.

How does the Prodigy Uniforms fit in given we saw another one at Starfleet HQ in Picard in what, the next year or so? What is up with Starfleet's uniform designers?!

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The Enderprizians have made it to the Academy? Cool. Did the Dauntless make second contact?

Recruited by the Janeway herself for her Voyager-A crew heh? Guess the know where Season 2 is going.
 
I think perhaps you missed the part where Mark had his own lawyer to do the contract with CBS and that was one of his stipulations. (retaining the design rights)

And the proof has already been given to you in the fact that STO had to work with Mark as well as CBS to get it in the game, as well as it was one of the only ships from STO that couldn't be created as a actual physical model.

Not to mention the fact that Eagle Moss also had to get permission from Rademaker to include it in their starship line.
I think you missed the part where you claiming a thing doesn't make it fact.

Nor does people misrepresenting some quotes.

So if you want to continue claiming this, show me a direct statement from CBS/Paramount/Rademaker/Cryptic saying that Rademaker owns the right to the Vesta class. Otherwise I am just going to rule it false.
 
I think you missed the part where you claiming a thing doesn't make it fact.

Nor does people misrepresenting some quotes.

So if you want to continue claiming this, show me a direct statement from CBS/Paramount/Rademaker/Cryptic saying that Rademaker owns the right to the Vesta class.
Heh ... At this point why should I.
You can't prove that it isn't true, so what's the point of continuing the debate.

You deny it based on your own beliefs with no proof, while I on the other hand, have shown provable facts simply by looking it up on the Internet and my experience of actually talking with Mark years ago on the STO forums.

Sorry, but your denial means nothing.
 
Nor does people misrepresenting some quotes.
I didn't misrepresent anything. It's clearly spelled out in the quotes.

show me a direct statement from CBS/Paramount/Rademaker/Cryptic saying that Rademaker owns the right to the Vesta class.
I did. What other negotiations could they be referring to in those quotes?
The negotiations took several months, if CBS owned the design there would have been no negotiations over rights.

Have some more
https://community.arcgames.com/en/news/star-trek-online/detail/1050720-ask-cryptic_-march-2012
Q: (yeayea911) When will we see the level cap lifted to get to the rank of Admiral and are we ever going to see the Vesta Class?

Dstahl: ...As far as the Vesta, we continue to negotiate for the rights to use the ship, so we haven’t given up on that.

https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/1050440-ask-cryptic_-april-2012
Q: (Blitzy) Do we have a rough ETA on the Vesta or other Rademaker ships?

Dstahl: Both Al and myself have been in contact with Mark and we are going to work out a deal to get more of these ships in game. No solid ETA yet, but talks are in progress.

https://community.arcgames.com/en/news/star-trek-online/detail/1028910-ask-cryptic_-august-2012
Q: (stostargatewars) Any update on the Vesta?

Dstahl: We’re happy to announce that we are working with Mark Rademaker to get the Vesta class ship into STO. We'll talk more about the Vesta closer to its release date.

If CBS owned the design, they wouldn't even be talking with Mark.
You have yet to post any solid proof otherwise.
 
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Heh ... At this point why should I.
You can't prove that it isn't true, so what's the point of continuing the debate.

You deny it based on your own beliefs with no proof, while I on the other hand, have shown provable facts simply by looking it up on the Internet and my experience of actually talking with Mark years ago on the STO forums.

Sorry, but your denial means nothing.

I didn't misrepresent anything. It's clearly spelled out in the quotes.


I did. What other negotiations could they be referring to in those quotes?
The negotiations took several months, if CBS owned the design there would have been no negotiations over rights.

Have some more
https://community.arcgames.com/en/news/star-trek-online/detail/1050720-ask-cryptic_-march-2012


https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/1050440-ask-cryptic_-april-2012


https://community.arcgames.com/en/news/star-trek-online/detail/1028910-ask-cryptic_-august-2012


If CBS owned the design, they wouldn't even be talking with Mark.
You have yet to post any solid proof otherwise.
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It's post scarcity.

Not just post scarcity. UFP recycles EVERYTHING (or at least 95-99% of everything).
Old uniforms are literally thrown into the replicator to be converted back into energy which can then be stored and used to replicate something else at a different time.
They aren't really wasteful.

My guess is that uniforms can be changed pretty fast, and the kids usually just end up wearing what's deemed most appropriate. Perhaps the Protostar uniforms were a bit unique... starship grade training design.... whereas this one is for Academy initiates or warrant officers (por basically worn on SF HQ grounds (but the uniforms are pretty similar to the ones from the Protostar).
 
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My guess is that uniforms can be changed pretty fast, and the kids usually just end up wearing what's deemed most appropriate. Perhaps the Protostar uniforms were a bit unique... starship grade training design.... whereas this one is for Academy initiates or warrant officers.
I imagine that they have trainee and acting cadets, similar to Wesley's "acting ensign" uniform that can be utilized to distinguish them amongst other officers. To quote Robert Heinlein "If someone ever saluted a third lieutenant the lighting must have been bad." It avoids that hassle :)
 
Except it’s not just the Protostar uniforms, Janeway, the Judges, Etc all wear a tweaked LD uniform.

Did the Cali class get the first version of this while the FC one was still in use c2380 then it’s refined in 2382 to the one Janeway and co have across the whole fleet?

Problem is Picard, Raffi and Starfleet HQ are seen in a different uniform in 2385:

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Did Starfleet change the whole fleet uniform again?
 
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