Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x06 - "Kobayashi"

[NCC-73515]

Interesting interview, with a potential spoiler for LDS or PIC:

Spoiler

There were different things that impacted whether a character could appear, like availability or whether they ever spoke the lines that we wanted to use for the Kobayashi Maru, and if they would line up. It was sort of an evolving process of just like, “Well, okay, that character we can’t use because they’re being used on a different show in a season or two,” or “We just don’t have the right dialogue for this other character, for this particular thing.”

So no Beverly in PIC, I guess

https://blog.trekcore.com/2022/01/interview-star-trek-prodigy-aaron-waltke-kobayashi-interview

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Great, fun episode. The nostalgia was a natural fit rather than shoehorned in. The differences in audio quality were distracting, but understandable and worth it. Loved it on many levels.

My only gripe is that Gwyn's "language" is clearly C (or a similar programming language). It's pretty distracting to look at an "alien language" and see Latin characters, much less EXPORT_SYMBOL and sizeof commands.

https://imgur.com/a/swriV38

Though at least the Vau N'Kat appear to run Linux, as opposed to Discovery running on Windows when they showed C code in "Context Is for Kings".

I would hope that they would at least use C++

BTW, what's your Indentation Style Cap'n Calhoun?
I'm a Allman-style indenter.

 

[Cap'n Calhoun]

I would hope that they would at least use C++

I think that might be Linux kernel code. The light-colored lines seem to match this:

https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/kernel/groups.c#L27

Even in the 24th century, Noonien Torvalds keeps the kernel locked solely in original C.

BTW, what's your Indentation Style Cap'n Calhoun?
I'm a Allman-style indenter.

Historically mostly K&R, but Allman's been winning me over the last few years. I switch between the two depending on project/language/mood.

Basically I'm happy as long as I don't run into Haskell-style.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Even in the 24th century, Noonien Torvalds keeps the kernel locked solely in original C.

He has to support legacy code & backwards compatibility.

You can't do that easily if you have to change languages.

Althought I don't understand why he isn't fond of C++.

C++ is the fastest programming language on the planet at the moment when given like for like code when benchmarked.

 

[Cap'n Calhoun]

He has to support legacy code & backwards compatibility.

Wait, if the Vau N'kat use Linux kernel code, do you think cyberneticists use it too? After all, even now Androids use the Linux kernel.

Slightly more seriously, assuming using a programming language as the language of this species isn't pure sloppiness, is this a not-so-subtle hint that the have some techno-organic aspect to them? Presumably no one else on the crew (other than Janeway) would have been able to read English/Federation Standard in order to realize what they were looking at.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Slightly more seriously, assuming using a programming language as the language of this species isn't pure sloppiness, is this a not-so-subtle hint that the have some techno-organic aspect to them? Presumably no one else on the crew (other than Janeway) would have been able to read English/Federation Standard in order to realize what they were looking at.

I don't think the programming language is the language of the species.
The programming language is the programming language that they borrowed or adopted from us humans.

Their language text can be entered into the String field.

I wonder what version of Unicode are they using by that point in time?

UTF-64
UTF-128
UTF-256

With all the civilizations & languages that the UFP encounters, Unicode must've gotten pretty bloated.

I'm betting the Vau N'kat were a allied UFP species that died out for some reason and that some members joined StarFleet.

 

[dupersuper]

That was great, but I'm giving it a 9, rather than a 10, mostly because I had some issues with the holodeck scene. I understand what they were going for with showing "historic" crew members, but I think it was a mistake having all of them but Beverly being deceased, and cutting and pasting canned dialogue from old episodes/movies. First, the sound was off - slightly (which I can chalk up to the holodeck). But more importantly, the relationship of some of the lines to what Dal was saying was kind of tangential at times. It's amazing they got it to work as well as they did, but couldn't they have given Takai some work or something?

Also, Odo wasn't ever a member of Starfleet. They shoulda used Nog if they wanted to have a tribute to a dead DS9 cast member.

My main issue (which NEARLY dropped it to a 9 for me) was them not having a pilot. The con was manned by a communications officer and security officer (while the engineer manned the security station). I guess he should've specified best in what, not just some of the best.

The Kobayashi Maru was playable in the old 1990s Starfleet Academy game (and its console ports) and recently a browser based version was made available too. Specifically for the browser version which I don't have much experience with, are any of Dal's unorthodox tactics actually possible to attempt? :O

Please tell me you could hide behind the security station...

I think a greater problem with Trek is that literally the UFP is considered the only "good" society that can take them in. Everyone else (Romulans, Klingons, Dominion, Orions) are Evil (TM).

Realistically, the kids should have a bunch of choices on where to settle down and decide what is best for them.

There are. They could go to the Children of Tamar or First Federation or Nyborite Alliance or Halkans or most versions of the Krenim or...

This is how I felt when an Enterprise character didn't show up on the holodeck - that's not my favorite Trek show, or even top three, but I saw characters from the other shows and just expected to see some ENT rep and was disappointed when it didn't happen.

They've been getting plenty of love over on Discovery.

Another Star Trek story where the writers miss the point of what 'Kobayahi Maru' scenario was all about. There isn't supposed to be a solution.

...There wasn't.

As you put, @Commander Troi, with the fact that Chakotay was a Captain (a rank he never achieved prior to defecting to the Maquis), and was working with a Janeway Hologram in a Voyager-era inspired uniform, we have ample onscreen evidence that proves Chakotay launched the Protostar sometime after Voyager’s return, which, as you said @Danja, was five years prior to the show’s in 2378.

I wonder if he and 7 never actually broke up; she just moved on after he vanished.

 

[DEWLine]

"Federation Unicode" is the project that never really ends, isn't it?

 

[jackoverfull]

My main issue (which NEARLY dropped it to a 9 for me) was them not having a pilot. The con was manned by a communications officer and security officer (while the engineer manned the security station). I guess he should've specified best in what, not just some of the best.

Odo was piloting, which he occasionally did on DS9, Uhura was serving as OPS officer, which was in fact part of her job on the TOS enterprise (in TOS the OPS job seem to be splitter between uhura, Spock and the navigation/conn consolle. Conversely, communications on TNG have been handled mostly by Worf but not infrequently by data as well).

 

[1001001]

I give them an "A" for effort...the audio was very distracting (especially the last part with Spock).

I did like the mystery going on.

7

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

"Federation Unicode" is the project that never really ends, isn't it?

It'll never end, given how many new species there are along with old species that previously existed and new species that will become Sentient & Sapient.

Don't forget that StarFleet can time travel starting by the 26th century, they'll need ALOT more room in their Data Type to account for all those species of the past & future.

 

[Noname Given]

A 1.

Yeah, using the voice work of deceased actors is a new low here in a bad patchwork of unrelated lines from various Trek episodes and films... Really taints the episode in a BAD way entirely for me.

 

[Cap'n Calhoun]

The con was manned by a communications officer and security officer (while the engineer manned the security station).

It's also a little confusing that they use a security officer who hates phasers for a space battle.

 

[Paul755]

Interesting interview, with a potential spoiler for LDS or PIC:

Spoiler

So no Beverly in PIC, I guess

https://blog.trekcore.com/2022/01/interview-star-trek-prodigy-aaron-waltke-kobayashi-interview

I don’t think

Spoiler

we are ever gonna get her in Picard. In fact it would not surprise me if she’s dead during the events of Picard.

 

[jackoverfull]

It's also a little confusing that they use a security officer who hates phasers for a space battle.

he hates to use them against people, but has no issue with his men using them or starships having them.

 

[Sci]

Just caught up with Prodigy today. Loved this episode so much. Odo and Spock!

Also, I for one have no problem believing that Linux propagated itself far beyond local space after 2063 and made its way into the programming languages of Delta Quadrant cultures even before Voyager's journey.

 

[tomalak301]

If anyone is into Podcasts and wants to listen to an interview with one of the writers of the episode, The Galaxy Class podcast has a great interview coming up this Friday with Aaron Waltke. I think he says a lot of the same things he said in other interviews and on twitter (He also said that of the thousands of DMs he got, only one person got it right about who Murf is in relation to a deep Trek cut).

 

[dupersuper]

(He also said that of the thousands of DMs he got, only one person got it right about who Murf is in relation to a deep Trek cut).

Does he say when we'll learn the truth?

 

[tomalak301]

Does he say when we'll learn the truth?

No, and I'm glad he didn't. I want to be surprised when that moment comes.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

A bit lighter. Which is exactly what was needed after the "murder planet" 2-parter.

And until I looked at this thread, I didn't even realize that the captain in the hacked recordings was Chakotay.