Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x05 - "Cupid's Errant Arrow"

[fireproof78]

The simple fact is the show has repeatedly shown people smuggling things in, diseases, disguising their identities (sometimes even species), and a bunch of other things. I know people like Star Trek technology to be perfect but 50% of the show is stuff breaking down.

The other 40% are exploration and the remaining 10% alien politics.

Yeah, it would be nice if Trek tech worked as designed but it never does. The transporter is shown to be making good and evil duplicates relatively early on and it hasn't gotten better since.

In this specific instance (and also with Tuvok's whole memory virus thing) the biofilter must have assumed it was part of their specific anatomy at that moment. Possibly due to the medical officer signing off on it or whatever.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Yeah, it would be nice if Trek tech worked as designed but it never does. The transporter is shown to be making good and evil duplicates relatively early on and it hasn't gotten better since.

In this specific instance (and also with Tuvok's whole memory virus thing) the biofilter must have assumed it was part of their specific anatomy at that moment. Possibly due to the medical officer signing off on it or whatever.

Besides, if the biofilter was finicky, you would get some even bigger horror stories. We know the Trill used to HATE transporters.

 

[Crewman6]

This is explictly not how transporters work and hasn't been since TNG.

Care to elaborate exactly where the specifics of transporters, post-TNG, has been described in detail?

 

[Charles Phipps]

Care to elaborate exactly where the specifics of transporters, post-TNG, has been described in detail?

Barclay's episode of transporter phoboia was designed to show you don't get disintegrated and rematerialized, otherwise he couldn't have grabbed anything--let alone a giant worm.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Realm_of_Fear_(episode)

This is undoubtedly to kill the, "transporters kill and clone you" joke that existed since at least the 70s.

 

[Michael]

I feel like I took a wrong turn and ended up in the Trek Tech subforum …

 

[Charles Phipps]

I feel like I took a wrong turn and ended up in the Trek Tech subforum …

To switch subjects:

Anyone want Barb to come back?

 

[Photoman15]

Barclay's episode of transporter phoboia was designed to show you don't get disintegrated and rematerialized, otherwise he couldn't have grabbed anything--let alone a giant worm.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Realm_of_Fear_(episode)

This is undoubtedly to kill the, "transporters kill and clone you" joke that existed since at least the 70s.

Barclay grabbed the crewman before "disintegration". What we are looking at (Barclay's POV) is the angular confinement beam right before de materialization. Once he grabbed the guy, the transporter now has Barclay and the guy in the ACB and "transports" (de/re-materializes) them on the Enterprise. O'Brien said the matter was double of what it should have been.

 

[Photoman15]

The transporter takes a "snapshot" of you at the time of beaming. It analyzes you, records you and reassembles you. The artificial heart is irrelevant. It takes you (and your clothes and objects in your hands, pockets, etc.) and recreates them.

That's what I'm saying - sorta. I said the transporter can't just willy-nilly leave parts out because they don't fit the "pattern" for the species they're beaming up. Otherwise stuff like artificial parts would be a problem, especially to a first time transportee.

 

[Sarcastic Vulcan Salute]

The transporter takes a "snapshot" of you at the time of beaming. It analyzes you, records you and reassembles you. The artificial heart is irrelevant. It takes you (and your clothes and objects in your hands, pockets, etc.) and recreates them.

But, since the transporter has to know what every single thing is and what it does, it would, of course, know that it's recreating a parasite or something that shouldn't be there.



of course it's "smart enough." The transporter has to know what every single atom (nay, subatomic particle) is, where it goes and what it does. By definition, it HAS to be smart, or it couldn't possibly work.

By the way, the way transporters work is that they absolutely do murder you and create a replacement and they certainly could be used to keep you eternally youthful.

It doesn't make sense, people!

By smart, I meant that transporters do not seemingly have the ability to or the programming to analyze the materials being transported, to compare them against previous times that thing or person has been transported, and to catch things automatically. Take for example, Data's Day, wherein the plot point is that the Enterprise beamed over a Romulan spy who was posing as a Vulcan. Even though she was broken down to the molecular level and reassembled, the transporter was not intelligent enough to say in any of the numerous times that she was beamed over, "Guys, this is a Romulan and not a Vulcan."

A camera taking a snapshot is a decent starting place for an analogy. A digital camera that takes a snapshot can autocorrect for some common issues, like red eye. But if someone is wearing makeup, it is not capable of saying, "That person has makeup on that he shouldn't. I will remove it from the picture."

 

[Trekker4747]

, the transporter was not intelligent enough to say in any of the numerous times that she was beamed over, "Guys, this is a Romulan and not a Vulcan."

Did anyone ever ask it?

 

[Charles Phipps]

Did anyone ever ask it?

Angry Vulcan: *sarcastic Vulcan salutes* WE'RE THE SAME SPECIES! STOP BEING RACIST!

 

[137th Gebirg]

Indeed, there may actually be more genetic differences between "northern" (bumpy heads) and "southern" (smooth heads) Romulans, vs "southern" Romulans and Vulcans. Suspecting that the "southerners" have Reman blood woven in, possibly, since Remans appear to be nothing more than serving as soldiers and mining slave labor for the Romulans and northern Romulans looked down upon by southerners, and whatnot, but I digress...

In any case, North/South physical attributes aside I doubt there are enough genetic differences between Vulcans and Romulans for anyone - or anything - to pick up on a bio-scan.

 

[jackoverfull]

On the other hand I vaguely recall crusher mentioning that the genetic drift meant Vulcan blood wouldn’t do to save the Romulan’s life...

 

[Trekker4747]

On the other hand I vaguely recall crusher mentioning that the genetic drift meant Vulcan blood wouldn’t do to save the Romulan’s life...

Was going to say the same thing. Enough of a difference KLINGON blood is more compatable/easier to make compatable than Vulcan blood.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Was going to say the same thing. Enough of a difference KLINGON blood is more compatable/easier to make compatable than Vulcan blood.

And yet one blood is peto bismal pink and the other is green.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Actually, we've seen pink AND red Klingon blood, implying other interesting genetic variances.

 

[cooleddie74]

Which could mean that Augment Klingon, DSC Klingon and TNG/Movie-style Klingon differences run deeper than surface appearance. Different colors of blood can point to an Empire where Klingons have a very interesting biological history.

 

[Trekker4747]

Klingons only have pink blood when they're in a PG-13 movie and there's going to be a lot of it.

 

[fireproof78]

Which could mean that Augment Klingon, DSC Klingon and TNG/Movie-style Klingon differences run deeper than surface appearance. Different colors of blood can point to an Empire where Klingons have a very interesting biological history.

Um, no, we can't have variety in Klingons. They must be uniform and pink blood is the only true Klingon blood!

 

[cooleddie74]

[*Plants bomb inside a tribble and dumps inside thread*]