Star Trek 5

[archeryguy1701]

I am in agreement that new FX won't help it. The movie isn't near as bad as it is made to seem, IMHO, but a lot of it seemed forced, esp the humor. The end concept of God and all of that just didn't work for me either. Something about it didn't make a great story

 

[CommanderRaytas]

I didn't even know people don't like this movie...well, I do. And were the special effects really that bad?

 

[cardinal biggles]

In a word... yes.

 

[Aldo]

cardinal biggles said:
In a word... yes.

They're servicable though. Granted at that point in time everyone expected better, TVH has far superior effects to a movie made prior, that's just unforgivable.

The only effect that really takes me out of the film is when the Enterprise fires on the God Planet, the Enterprise in that shot is very noticably a model. Plus, green torpedo!? What the hell was up with that.

 

[RyanKCR]

No the worst shot is when the Enterprise enters the barrier and it is bouncing up and down and little side to side like the person holding the model couldn't hold it steady.

 

[Maurice]

RyanKCR said:
No the worst shot is when the Enterprise enters the barrier and it is bouncing up and down and little side to side like the person holding the model couldn't hold it steady.

What are you talking about? There's no such shot.

The Enterprise only appears in two shots with the Great Barrier. In the first it cruises by the camera towards the barrier, and in the second, they just optically printed an image of the ship shrinking into the distance. Both are staccato because there's no motion blur, but there's no shot of the ship bobbing.

Memory is a funny thing.

 

[David cgc]

Almost all of the shots of the Enterprise are still photos moved across the frame. I thought that was cheap when Kubrick did it in '68, so I sure as hell won't take it from Shatner in '89.

But the absolute worst would have to be the shot of the Bird of Prey approaching the Enterprise after firing on the transporter room. The rear of the BOP is flickering, as if they couldn't get the matte to print properly.

 

[A beaker full of death]

There were some terrific shots in this film. The shuttle looked great. And the god-beam shooting past Enterprise.
The ONLY weak shot was the torpedo.

 

[Amaris]

A beaker full of death said:
There were some terrific shots in this film. The shuttle looked great. And the god-beam shooting past Enterprise.
The ONLY weak shot was the torpedo.

OH yeah. The God beam was one of the best sfx of the whole movie. Nicely done, IMHO.

J.

 

[Kryton]

One of two TOS movies I choose not to own. Was hugely disappointed in it from the beginning...and I'm still pissed at KRAFT for not sending me my promotional marshmellon dispenser!

 

[cardinal biggles]

You too?

 

[Maurice]

There were lots of weak shots. Except for the Klingon ship swooping by, the Enterprise hardly moved, and the shuttle did look like a toy. The lack of motion blur made a lot of the effects feel bad even if the photography wasn't. The shot where they scale the Enterprise away into the Great Barrier was really hurt by improper scaling, and the fact that the ship moved on a vector that didn't match its facing. Then there are the horribly done torpedoes, the awful blue screen work for Kirk's fall, the lame ass warp drive effect, and the cheapy lightning bolt coming off "God". That doesn't leave much to praise.

 

[trevanian]

Therin of Andor said:
^ The point is, will better SPFX make it a movie that enough people will buy all over again? The answer is no.

Cartoonier fx (coupled with an HD transfer) are apparently making enough people buy TOS all over again, and that means they are paying for AND THE CHILDEN SHALL LEAD. With that in mind, you'd figure they COULD justify doing this for TFF (not that I want a TFF revisited for myself, I'm okay with it as-is.)

 

[Therin of Andor]

^I think some of the CGI FX work being done for TOS is beautiful, and not at all cartoony. And most of it is definitely improving the watchability, esp. when everyone has HD as standard and will be expecting TOS to hold up on an HD screen. I'm going to be happy to buy TOS-HD, even though I already own the regular DVD sets. Who cares if there's a few dud episodes in there amongst the latinum?

But even if every FX scene in ST V was redone, it's still a problematic story, from start to finish. Better starship footage, a pack of gargoyles and a giant orange rock creature are not going to save it.

 

[RyanKCR]

DS9Sega said:

RyanKCR said:
No the worst shot is when the Enterprise enters the barrier and it is bouncing up and down and little side to side like the person holding the model couldn't hold it steady.

What are you talking about? There's no such shot.

The Enterprise only appears in two shots with the Great Barrier. In the first it cruises by the camera towards the barrier, and in the second, they just optically printed an image of the ship shrinking into the distance. Both are staccato because there's no motion blur, but there's no shot of the ship bobbing.

Memory is a funny thing.

I just rewatched the scene last night and yeah it is there and it is really bad. Another similarly bad shot is seeing the Enterprise hanging in space slowly turning like on a string when they are coming back up from Nimus III. I actually thought the torpedo shot was very good as was the god beam past the Enterprise.

 

[ncc-1017-e]

Bones1864 said:
Star Trek 5 should get it's Special Effects redone.

Yes

 

[Maurice]

RyanKCR said:
I just rewatched the scene last night and yeah it is there and it is really bad.

Then kindly clarify what shot you're talking about, because the description you gave matches NO shot in the film. I have it here on my hard drive, and there are only two shots featuring the Enterprise and the Great Barrier, and both aras they approach. There are NO shots of the ship bobbing through it.

 

[A beaker full of death]

RyanKCR said:
Another similarly bad shot is seeing the Enterprise hanging in space slowly turning like on a string when they are coming back up from Nimus III.

What, the reflection? It was terrific!

 

[RyanKCR]

A beaker full of death said:

RyanKCR said:
Another similarly bad shot is seeing the Enterprise hanging in space slowly turning like on a string when they are coming back up from Nimus III.

What, the reflection? It was terrific!

No actually this one.

Here and here are the barrier shots I was talking about too.

But I love this one and this one.

 

[Maurice]

RyanKCR said:
No actually this one.

Yeah, that one blows.

Here and here are the barrier shots I was talking about too.

And those are the ones I was talking about. The ship's movement is not as you describe it.

But I love this one

That's a great shot.

and this one.

But this one features the awfully animated torpedo...it moves in completely wrong perspective...creeping to the right for a bunch of frames then suddenly vanishing way too fast. Plus, the "torpedo" is just a shapeless glob of light that looks nothing like the torpedo the Klingons fire.