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Saucer-Rim Windows

DS9Sega,

I see what you mean about the proportions. It is difficult to judge dimension but the suit alcoves may be 4-5’ wide rather than Johnson’s ~3.5’. Looking at some of the screencaps in that series,

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=270&page=6

it appears that there is a small outer personnel hatch in the location shown by Johnson. Where Kirk is exiting the airlock there appears to be a blank wall behind him. I think Johnson’s general arrangement can work if you replace the inner round hatch with a blank wall and add additional hatches at either side of his docking port airlock. These would open into the personnel airlock and departure lounge respectively.

The primary hull docking port configuration seems to be different from what we see at the torpedo and cargo bay DP’s. In those locations we either see or it seems to be implied that the outer DP’s have a corresponding inner round hatch directly across a small airlock. This looks to be a logical visual cue that the set designers adopted. I think it would be awkward to add a round hatch on the departure lounge side in the arrangement I described above.

I see Johnson’s layout being more consistent with the other DP arrangements. It also makes sense from a practical perspective to have movement flow directly through the DP airlock and staging area rather than make multiple jogs. I don’t know why they made this set different. (Note: I realize that the torpedo level DP set did not exist at the time of TMP.)

Thanks again for info.
 
There are tricks with perspective drawing that can help you figure out the dimensions of items. In the case of airlock 4, you can draw diagonal lines across the junction points of the ceiling panels to figure out where the next junction would be if the panels are the same size. If the opening for corridor is 8 feet across, the spacesuit lockers would be about 5 feet wide each.

The exterior shot of Kirk in the airlock has nothing much to do with the room. In fact, it would be silly to have the arrangement Shane suggests, basically making a U turn into the airlock proper.

Interestingly, the control panel visible on this set seems like it might've been designed for the "wing walk". If you look at this image you can see at center bottom a light marked "ELEV TRAVEL" and below that light marked "UP" and "DN", amongst others.

Anyone ever seen the soundstage plans that feature this room, or the Rec Deck?
 
I think you are correct about the control panel being intended for the "wing walk" airlock. If you look closely at the second screencap link you provided a couple of posts ago, you can see the control pedestal from Johnson's upper surface hatch platform. It is in front of Kirk's right leg.

An elevator in the docking port airlock makes no sense. There is nowhere to go "down" to and there are at least 3-4 decks above and no hatches anywhere close once you do get to the upper surface.

Could some or all of this set been scavenged from a set intended to represent a different part of the ship?
 
Well, set bits are re-used all the time when a quick swing set is needed, hence the reason the officer's lounge has Rec Deck windows, and why Epsilon Nine's control panels are most borrowed from various Enterprise sets, or why the cargo bay walls look just like the unfilmed office of Nogura for "In Thy Image".
 
One might always argue that the airlock below the saucer caters for the emergency planetfall scenario, thereby offering a lift ride to the surface...

That would be one scenic ride for sure!

Timo Saloniemi
 
An elevator in the docking port airlock makes no sense. There is nowhere to go "down" to and there are at least 3-4 decks above and no hatches anywhere close once you do get to the upper surface.

As can be seen in this screencap, the sign above the airlock control panel explicitly states "AIRLOCK LIFT", although a reproduction of the actual graphic doesn't appear in Lee Cole's ST:TMP Peel-Off Graphics Book. I suspect that the "wingwalk" hatchway was initially placed directly above the airlock chamber so they could both share the same staging area and atmospheric cycling machinery, although the dreadful matte painting in the original film (which was rendered by Apogee's matte department and not Matthew Yuricich or Rocco Gioffre) places it much closer to the saucer's rim than the lower airlock door.

TGT
 
I've gawked at TMP images for so long it's scary, and I don't recall ever seeing the "AIRLOCK LIFT" sign before. Nice catch!
 

I wouldn't hold my breath. The Pocket nomenklatura in TrekLit made it perfectly clear on numerous occasions (i.e., usually in response to threads on the subject created by Dayton3) that due to declining sales over several years they are no longer interested in producing "Treknical" publications.

TGT
Exactly true... and you can't go into the "Trek Publishing" forum, even on this BBS, and suggest it without subjecting yourself to a series of ... snide comments?... from some of those on the publishing side.

The problem is that the justification for this has been that "nobody bought the last few things we put out," and when you'd try to point out that nobody really WANTED the damned "Ferengi Cookbook," they get mad. :rolleyes: They published what, six versions of the "Trek Encyclopedia" and somehow seemed surprised that later revisions didn't see the same sales levels as the earlier versions. Even the nicely-done "Trek Maps" book was such a niche-item that a die-hard guy like me has never really read it.

But I'd spend my hard-earned dollars without hesitation if a NEW, and INTERESTING technical work (like Shane's stuff here) were to be published.

I mentioned that and faced two full pages worth of flames from "people who know publishing" as a result... so I don't even bother with the "trek books" forum anymore.

Maybe... just maybe... this movie will tank. (Don't panic folks... this could be a GOOD thing, long-term!) If that happens, PPC will basically give up on Trek for a while. And if that happens, fan-publication could become a practical reality again. The pinacle of Trek publishing was in the early 1980s, and all the best work was done independently of PPC or Pocket Books or Bantam or anyone else... maybe the "franchise" must die (or rather, go into hibernation?) for a while in order for fandom to recover.

Then, in, say, another decade, someone will come along and decide to do another Trek series, learning from the mistakes of all the prior ones and simultaneously recognizing that you can't just toss aside 50+ years (that's what it'll be by that point) of history.

In 2018, maybe we'll see a REAL revival. ;)
 
I think there might be more windows on these ships then we see. I was thinking about the episode ( I can't seem to recall the name of the episode where Kirk is needed to introduce his germs to help alleviate an over-populated planet ) where Kirk finds himself alone on the Enterprise with one woman. He takes her on a tour and at one point "opens" the solid partition, solid shield, or screen (or whatever) to reveal a window looking out to space...

This was also done in Star Trek FC with Picard and what's her name...

There was also the episode in TNG where Troi darkens a window like a shade.

From the outside of the ship, and especially from a distance, these "windows" wouldn't look like windows at all when they are covered. They'd just look like part of the hull. So there could be more then revealed on any episode, and it's not exactly a stretch of canon to allow for more windows to be on these ships.
 
The original series episode you're thinking of is "The Mark of Gideon", a two-pronged treatise on overpopulation and the dangers of being rabidly anti-birth control.
 
^
That's right. Thanks. And now I remember that it wasn't his "germs" in general, but a specific dormant (?) virus that he was carrying.

Man- this is bad. I used to know really all this stuff! Damnit.
 
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