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Ron Moore's Voyager

^^I guess I can say for me personally, I'm grateful for what it was and very careful what I wish for. If we compare it to say a show like HEROES, that's far more inconsistant as well as much more poorly written, Voyager is a diamond in the rough. Plus, I don't see the show as any worse than TNG. When both were good, they were very good. When they were bad, they were bad but the best about both is you can skip the bad and still enjoy the show and keep up with the story.


The problem, of course, is that Voyager came AFTER TNG. That is an important distinction. The fact that Voyager repeated the mistakes of TNG is the hallmark of an innept production staff. When you are making a show that is creatively identical to one created nearly a decade earlier, something is seriously wrong.
 
^^I guess I can say for me personally, I'm grateful for what it was and very careful what I wish for. If we compare it to say a show like HEROES, that's far more inconsistant as well as much more poorly written, Voyager is a diamond in the rough. Plus, I don't see the show as any worse than TNG. When both were good, they were very good. When they were bad, they were bad but the best about both is you can skip the bad and still enjoy the show and keep up with the story.


The problem, of course, is that Voyager came AFTER TNG. That is an important distinction. The fact that Voyager repeated the mistakes of TNG is the hallmark of an innept production staff. When you are making a show that is creatively identical to one created nearly a decade earlier, something is seriously wrong.
Because at the time, fans were turing off DS9. So they felt safer going back to what worked. Nobody complians about TNG, at least not at the time. It got all the press and all the praise.

Let's remember, DS9 was losing the audience TNG had gathered and wasn't a fan favorite until after the show concluded. Like Seven, they introduced Worf onto the show to boost the audience.

They went back to the TNG style to keep us watching.
Everything they did was for us. It benefits their own jobs in doing so.
 
^^I guess I can say for me personally, I'm grateful for what it was and very careful what I wish for. If we compare it to say a show like HEROES, that's far more inconsistant as well as much more poorly written, Voyager is a diamond in the rough. Plus, I don't see the show as any worse than TNG. When both were good, they were very good. When they were bad, they were bad but the best about both is you can skip the bad and still enjoy the show and keep up with the story.


The problem, of course, is that Voyager came AFTER TNG. That is an important distinction. The fact that Voyager repeated the mistakes of TNG is the hallmark of an innept production staff. When you are making a show that is creatively identical to one created nearly a decade earlier, something is seriously wrong.

Or, more simply, someone wasn't learning from their earlier mistakes. Even though they essentially went back to the 'ship' format for fear of doing something even more drastic, they should have at least been experienced enough to sift the turkeys out of the writing department - both stories and personnel. :rommie:
 
^^I guess I can say for me personally, I'm grateful for what it was and very careful what I wish for. If we compare it to say a show like HEROES, that's far more inconsistant as well as much more poorly written, Voyager is a diamond in the rough. Plus, I don't see the show as any worse than TNG. When both were good, they were very good. When they were bad, they were bad but the best about both is you can skip the bad and still enjoy the show and keep up with the story.


The problem, of course, is that Voyager came AFTER TNG. That is an important distinction. The fact that Voyager repeated the mistakes of TNG is the hallmark of an innept production staff. When you are making a show that is creatively identical to one created nearly a decade earlier, something is seriously wrong.

Or, more simply, someone wasn't learning from their earlier mistakes. Even though they essentially went back to the 'ship' format for fear of doing something even more drastic, they should have at least been experienced enough to sift the turkeys out of the writing department - both stories and personnel. :rommie:
It doesn't work that way.

Honestly, they wouldn't know it was a bad story until they got feedback from it, right? Think about big budget flops in film. Would a studio throw money into a film if they knew it would flop with an audience ahead of time?:confused: I've studied & have a degree in production and I can honestly say, most times the guys behind the scenes don't know until "we" hear from you the audience. If feed back on TNG was good, "we" don't know what eps. you found bad in general. We just know as a whole, you enjoyed the show.

In other words, producers don't look at feedback on the ep. itself individually, only if the ratings show you tuned in. If you tuned it and the ep. was bad, the only thing that lets them know is if rating drop the following week. If that bad ep. is sandwiched inbetween two great eps., the studio will never know because the ratings held. So in Paramounts eyes, you the audience told them thru viewership that you liked nearly all of the TNG formula even the bad.

Studios never used such things as the internet or message boards to track fan feedback, until the last few years. It wasn't a resource before. Until then there was no way to track what you guys thought minute by minute, ep. by ep.
 
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