Q Makes No Sense

[STEPhon IT]

Comedic or mockery?

By VOY, there wasn't much left they could do. The three VOY episodes were mixed bags but once they took this big mysterious place into the old west in a desert so we the audience could "understand it", the Q were demystified completely. Oh look, it's a supernatural by supernatural fritters and we're given low budget rusty 1940 gas station to relate to.

It didn't help that the Q of all beings would be so splintered by a huge contrivance of forbidding suicide. That started the ball rolling.

Still, the Q and Gray episode, before going into 1950s desert land, had a few humorous quips. They just can't compensate for the rest of it. Q easily could have remained without the need to visit his plane of existence... Unlike with Sisko, he feels as much at home with Janeway as he does with Picard.

Mockery is a good word and your examples are right on and those episodes including the one where De Lancie's son made an appearance flatly destroyed Q. Even on TNG I thought the writers were running out of ideas for Q and returned to form in "Tapestry" where Q was the observer and a teacher for humanity; guiding us to understand the stages of our lives creates our own unique story. Then after "All Good Things..." for me a wonderful conclusion to what Q is about and was preparing us for mysteries to come... like a new job, a new objective for all of us we will have to face. The challenges of the Q is not what they face but what we will eventually have to and what will become of us.

After "The Q the Grey" I'm still pissed off Janeway did not accept having sex with Q to get her crew back home in "Death Wish" after learning their interpretation of fornication was the touch of a finger??? Wow. Not her best moment to think about herself than looking in the best interests of her crew.

Could there been episodes which could fit the Q on Voyager? No.

Reason being was Voyager was going backwards than moving forward for the Q to have a purpose; this being knows what's out there and explorers who are going to the farthest reaches of the universe need a practice test before actually encountering the universes full forces. So when Voyager delivered "Death Wish" I knew the idea of Q was done, stripping layers upon layers of interest in the character into something less threatening and less dynamic.

 

[C.E. Evans]

I think it goes deeper than that. In True Q, it's clear that Q is acting on behalf of the whole continuum, & that they have an active opinion about humanity, being problematic enough that when Amanda Roger's parents chose to live as human, they got executed for it.

I think that happened after Q brought Humans to the full attention to the rest of the Continuum. Up to that point, Humans were just one of countless lesser life-forms throughout the Universe--mostly harmless. The execution of Amanda's parents may had less to do with them living as Humans and more to do with them being rogue Qs.

 

[Timewalker]

After "The Q the Grey" I'm still pissed off Janeway did not accept having sex with Q to get her crew back home in "Death Wish" after learning their interpretation of fornication was the touch of a finger??? Wow. Not her best moment to think about herself than looking in the best interests of her crew.

Q didn't give her the choice after she learned that. As he said, "You had your chance." So after he mated with Lady Q, the offer to Janeway was off the table.

 

[fireproof78]

Since the Q do the whole "your limited human mind cannot comprehend" then I highly doubt it was just a "touch of the finger."

Regardless, I see no reason for Janeway to compromise her principles and sleep with Q. The Q and the Grey is one of the weirdest episodes, but Janeway's choice strikes me as in keeping with her character. Same with Picard telling the crew to resist Q and Riker's gifts.

 

[Makarov]

Picard was certainly not "the best of us" in the first season.

Anyone who would dismiss the right (moral and ethical) of the frozen 20th century people to be revived and live again just because they were from 400 years previously and "already dead", and not giving a damn that they could be revived and cured, is definitely NOT someone I would put in the category of "the best of us."

Picard treated the 20th-century humans with utter contempt. They were nuisances to him, the way a stray litter of kittens would be a nuisance to someone who doesn't like cats. Nobody even thought to offer them counseling until they got irritated with Claire's crying about her family - they were clueless that of course she would be emotionally distraught once her new reality began to sink in.

It's as I said in another thread: I like Patrick Stewart. I do not like Picard.

I'm sure counseling was on the agenda for them, but Picard was annoyed with one of them because he kept screwing with the intercom while he was trying to avoid war.

He was just hesitant to unfreeze them without caution the same way he reacted when Data made a child. It doesn't mean Picard had contempt for Data's daughter he's just cautious.

I bet if Q showed up he would re-freeze that stock broker guy himself.

 

[Orphalesion]

Hey let's not forget, Q didn't just ask Jane way for a booty call, he asked her to have his child!
Janeway bringing another life into the galaxy, producing a whole new person (especially an immortal, omnipotent one that, somehow, was supposed to change the whole Q continuuml) just to further her and her crew's interests would have been all sorts of irresponsible and horrible and for once I'm agreeing with Jane way for refusing a way home.
(of course travelling through time and erasing people from existence just to save a couple of your close friends while still letting Carey die, never to see his kids again was just as bad...)

 

[Timewalker]

I'm sure counseling was on the agenda for them, but Picard was annoyed with one of them because he kept screwing with the intercom while he was trying to avoid war.

He was just hesitant to unfreeze them without caution the same way he reacted when Data made a child. It doesn't mean Picard had contempt for Data's daughter he's just cautious.

I bet if Q showed up he would re-freeze that stock broker guy himself.

Nope, Picard was annoyed long before the intercom incident. His entire attitude from the get-go was "Why bother? They're already dead" and he didn't give a damn that they could be revived, cured, and given a second chance to live.

And there's a vast difference between three 400-year-old humans and a brand-new android whose programming you're not sure is going to work as intended.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

U makes no sense.

Ignore them they are a child race. Their puny minds can't comprehend

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

After "The Q the Grey" I'm still pissed off Janeway did not accept having sex with Q to get her crew back home in "Death Wish" after learning their interpretation of fornication was the touch of a finger??? Wow. Not her best moment to think about herself than looking in the best interests of her crew.

I bet good auld Capt. Ransom would of had no trouble taking the finger from Q to get his crew home

 

[Timewalker]

I bet good auld Capt. Ransom would of had no trouble taking the finger from Q to get his crew home

While Q can appear as a woman, he prefers to appear as a man. He'd have asked to mate with Marla, rather than Ransom.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

While Q can appear as a woman, he prefers to appear as a man. He'd have asked to mate with Marla, rather than Ransom.

Maybe he noticed that Ransom is biQrious

 

[Makarov]

Nope, Picard was annoyed long before the intercom incident. His entire attitude from the get-go was "Why bother? They're already dead" and he didn't give a damn that they could be revived, cured, and given a second chance to live.

And there's a vast difference between three 400-year-old humans and a brand-new android whose programming you're not sure is going to work as intended.

I think he gave that attitude to Crusher because he didnt like her getting them into situations. Here she thawed them out right when they had other important stuff to do. I'm sure he wouldn't have left them there forever.

Thst other time in the high ground he also tells her to stop intervening and she gets captured causing the enterprise to get stuck in a situation

 

[STEPhon IT]

I bet good auld Capt. Ransom would of had no trouble taking the finger from Q to get his crew home

Of course, sacrifices is part of a team, a Captain is supposed to look out for the well being of the crew. She could at least thought about the offer, even explore the details of it because she had no clue it was a touch of a finger, to spare her crew the dangers of being alone in deep space trying to get home. When the crew needed her the most she thought about herself than her shipmates. Good to know her principles were more important for her than taking one for the team. I doubt Captain Kirk would balk at the chance to help his crew.

Q didn't give her the choice after she learned that. As he said, "You had your chance." So after he mated with Lady Q, the offer to Janeway was off the table.

Q's proposal was made to her in the episode "Death Wish"

 

[fireproof78]

Of course, sacrifices is part of a team, a Captain is supposed to look out for the well being of the crew. She could at least thought about the offer, even explore the details of it because she had no clue it was a touch of a finger, to spare her crew the dangers of being alone in deep space trying to get home. When the crew needed her the most she thought about herself than her shipmates. Good to know her principles were more important for her than taking one for the team. I doubt Captain Kirk would balk at the chance to help his crew.

He also wanted to have a child, a commitment that Kirk wouldn't have to do, vs. Janeway.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Q wanted a child in the episode "Death Wish"???

 

[fireproof78]

Q wanted a child in the episode "Death Wish"???

No, we discover that motivation in "The Q and the Grey." But, I still fail to see how Janeway compromising her principles, both not accepting Q's attempt at bribery in swaying her decision, or mating with Q is some how the moral choice.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Yeah, touching an alien's finger sure does compromises Janeway's principles and of course her moral standards.

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah, touching an alien's finger sure does compromises Janeway's principles and of course her moral standards.

Mating with alien does and that is what is what Q is requesting.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

He also wanted to have a child, a commitment that Kirk wouldn't have to do, vs. Janeway.

Im pretty sure Q could make a man pregnant. He can kinda do anything he likes sure hes almost as powerful as Brian Brophy

 

[STEPhon IT]

Im pretty sure Q could make a man pregnant. He can kinda do anything he likes sure hes almost as powerful as Brian Brophy

Kirk would go for it, heck it's seeking new life, also he's a real Captain, he would take one for the team by touching a finger to an alien.