Spoilers OK 9ers, how did you like S1 of ST:Picard
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They were featured much more heavily in Discovery where a massive battle was part of the story and took up most of the finale, thus a lot more effort was put in. In Picard, it was three minutes most of which was Riker talking on the bridge. The show is made by humans with finite resources and time.
DS9 is my favorite Trek series, though it didn't start out that way. The Dominion War put it over for me. That being said, I think DS9 Season 1 started off much stronger than TNG, however, neither was better than TOS's first season. And Picard Season 1 isn't as good as TOS or DS9's first seasons either. I would put it just over TNG's first season, though there was no single episode in Picard that I liked as much as "Heart of Glory" "Datalore" or "Conspiracy." Also, "The Battle" wasn't a bad one either, and "Encounter at Farpoint" was a decent pilot, though I think Picard's pilot was tighter. I don't think Picard Season 1 has that much re-watch value. When it comes to DS9's first season I liked "Emissary", "Duet", and "In the Hands of the Prophets" more than any Picard episode. And while I haven't seen "The Nagus" in a long time, I'm going out on a limb and saying I'm sure I found it a funnier episode than the comedic bits in "Stardust City Rag". With a longer season, DS9 had time to explore and establish it's characters and universe more than Picard did. It had more room to experiment, fail, and find what worked and what didn't. I can't say I loved the Bajorans (excepting Ro, Winn, and Kira) but that story was different compared to what we got in Picard and that made DS9 stand out more among the other Trek series.
I don't think it's bad to want to see different Starfleet, or otherwise, starships in a Trek series. That's part of the fun, of seeing what the future holds. I loved the glimpses of the future we would get in other Trek series, like the uniforms and ships from "All Good Things" and though I wasn't a big fan of the Enterprise-J that was on Enterprise I thought it was cool to see the see the attempt. I also thought the USS Emmett Till was an interesting design and that was just for the DS9 documentary.
I don't see why people need to be shamed about wanting to see different, or better designed starships. I know I did, and same with uniforms, though I did like the 2380 uniforms and wished they had just kept those into the '90s.
I don't think it's bad to want to see different Starfleet, or otherwise, starships in a Trek series. That's part of the fun, of seeing what the future holds. I loved the glimpses of the future we would get in other Trek series, like the uniforms and ships from "All Good Things" and though I wasn't a big fan of the Enterprise-J that was on Enterprise I thought it was cool to see the see the attempt. I also thought the USS Emmett Till was an interesting design and that was just for the DS9 documentary.
I don't see why people need to be shamed about wanting to see different, or better designed starships. I know I did, and same with uniforms, though I did like the 2380 uniforms and wished they had just kept those into the '90s.
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I must have been like twelve years old when DS9 first aired. Back in the day I found it kind of boring (basically til the introduction of the Defiant). And I didnt like Sisko because he was mad at Picard and acted like somekind of asshole. But
seeing a romulan teenage space-elv decapitating some guy puts things into a whole new perspective I guess.
Could not disagree more. I love the fact that PIC got out of the typical Star Trek formula and showed us life in the 24th Century from the perspective of people who are not part of a privileged paramilitary organization. ST is not going to survive if it just keeps doing the same thing over and over again -- it's got to evolve, and doing a show from the POV of civilians and ex-Starfleet officers is a great way to do that.
Vulcans and Romulans have always been space elves.
Star Trek has done battles that end suddenly before. There's nothing wrong with that. It wasn't bad when Vulcan and Andorian ships fired on each other before realizing they needed to stop in ENT's Vulcan Reformation trilogy, and it's not bad here.
Calling Riker "bloated" is just being ageist, dude. Sorry that Jonathan Frakes has dared to age, but he was an absolute delight and looked fine.
I liked the designs, but I wish they had been bigger and I wish there had been more variety of classes. However, I understand that they did the best they could with the limited amount of time, money, and production challenges they faced -- it's my understanding that the VFX team only finished it a week before it aired, which means they were probably also working from home because of the COVID pandemic, so I can't hold that against them.
Nope. It's all the same Picard.
I agree that something seemed off about the Starfleet uniforms, especially the TNG flashback uniforms. But literally everything else looked great and high-quality.
That's because it's a thematic contrast: Death and resurrection. New life enduring even through the tragedy of loss. Picard sacrifices himself and thereby gains new life. It's not that hard to parse.
It's not that we've never gotten a non-Starfleet POV before, but we've never seen an ST show that centered Federation civilian POVs before. Quark and Jake were supporting characters, but DS9 still centered the Starfleet perspective.
I would! They're not part of the organization anymore, and their opinions and goals are in conflict with the organization.
I'll pass. But I'm glad for those who have enjoyed it. If they're going to have shows about captains, then let me know when it's time for Star Trek: A Man Called Sisko.
I'm sorry you didn't like PIC, but I think I would adore Star Trek: A Man Called Sisko.
I agree that I would have preferred more variety in the class designs. But as I understand it, the VFX team wasn't able to finish the effects shots until a week before the episode aired. I haven't gotten this confirmed, but if they only finished it a week before the episode aired, I would infer there's a high probability they were working from home because of the COVID pandemic. Given real-life constraints like that, and given that the shots still look great, I really don't think it's fair to hold the lack of design varieties against the show.
One of the things that drives me crazy about TNG is its unrealistic usage of prescriptivist standard English at all times, in utter defiance of reality, where human beings use slang, vernacular, nicknames, and non-prescriptivist language alongside multiple dialects of the same language. It's implicitly classist and it's dishonest about how human beings relate to one-another.
So, yeah, I am fine with PIC establishing that people in the 24th Century do, in fact, use affectionate nicknames and slang.
So, yeah, I am fine with PIC establishing that people in the 24th Century do, in fact, use affectionate nicknames and slang.
I don't think recognizing that eternal life may be painful is nihilistic, nor is wanting to not be trapped in a non-corporeal reality.
Because he is. He's the same man in a new shell, is all.
The USS Voyager returned to Earth twenty-two years ago. She has clearly lived multiple lifetimes of trauma since then and has changed as a result of living in Federation and borderlands societies. It was completely believable to me.
The writer of Star Trek: Insurrection was Michael Piller, the head writer of TNG from Seasons Three through Six and writer or co-writer of such episodes as "Evolution," "The Enemy," "Yesterday's Enterprise," "The Best of Both Worlds, Parts I & II," "First Contact," "Ensign Ro," "Unification, Parts I & II," and "Time's Arrow." The director was Jonathan Frakes, who played Commander William Riker from TNG Seasons One through Seven, and who directed such episodes as "The Offspring," "Reunion," "The Drumhead," "Cause and Effect," "The Quality of Life," "The Chase," and "Attached."
While John Logan wrote the screenplay, the story co-writers of Star Trek: Nemesis were Logan, Brent Spiner, and Rick Berman. Spiner played Lieutenant Commander Data from TNG Seasons One through Seven. Berman was an executive producer of TNG from Seasons One through Seven, and was a writer or co-writer of such episodes as "Brothers," "Ensign Ro," "Unification, Parts I & II," and "A Matter of Time."
The later TNG movies had people involved who understood the characters of the show. You may not have agreed with the creative decisions they made, but to say they did not understand the characters they had been writing, producing, or playing for years and years is just false.
The TNG movies are canon and you can die mad about it. (I know I will die mad that NEM is canon...!)
Totally disagree. PIC is a compelling story about a hero's redemption after his worst failure, about how his example leads his people back from isolationism and bigotry. It's about finding meaning in life in the face of mortality; it's about how the sins of the fathers are visited upon the next generation; it's about sacrifice and new life. It's easily the best single season of Star Trek ever produced.
Except Picard's example did solve the larger part of the problem. It was by Picard's example that Soji was persuaded to shut down the transmitter and cut off the Super-AIs. Yes, Riker had to threaten violence to stop the Zhat Vash, but I think it's a good and interesting thing that we see that both diplomacy and force are sometimes necessary. And even the use of force was itself averted by Riker's willingness to allow the Romulans to head back to Free State space -- diplomacy itself does involve a willingness to use force sometimes.
I'd bet my hat it's the same reason we saw kitbashes of existing models in TNG and DS9 and why we only saw other Constitution-class ships in TOS: Because of the limitations of money and time. Again, from what I understand, they only finished the shots a week before the episode aired. I haven't gotten this confirmed, but if they were working on the shots a week before the season finale aired, I strongly suspect that means they were probably also working from home because of the COVID pandemic.
I really would have preferred a greater variety of designs too, but it's really not reasonable to hold it against the show.
I really would have preferred a greater variety of designs too, but it's really not reasonable to hold it against the show.
I don't know if I'd really want to compare PIC Season One to the nuts-and-bolts of DS9 Season One or TOS Season One. It's a totally different format. PIC Season One is telling a complete story with a beginning, middle, and end; it's almost more akin to a limited series or miniseries than it is to a season of traditional episodic television.
But also, as someone who just rewatched "The Nagus" last month: No, it is not funnier than the humorous bits in "Stardust City Rag."
There's nothing wrong with wanting more designs. I want more designs. But it is unreasonable to hold it against the show when 1) significant real-world constraints were at play, 2) the shots still look great, and 3) it does not affect the story at all.
Seriously. In no way would the story of "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part II" have been different if the fleet had been comprised of Curiosity-class, Galaxy-class, Nebula-class, Nova-class, Olympic-class, Sovereign-class, Intrepid-class, Defiant-class, Akira-class, Steamrunner-class, Prometheus-class, Norway-class, Luna-class, and Vesta-class starships, absolutely nothing about the story would have changed. The fleet would still have arrived, Riker would still have had his verbal facedown with Nedar, and then the fleet would have deported.
Seriously. In no way would the story of "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part II" have been different if the fleet had been comprised of Curiosity-class, Galaxy-class, Nebula-class, Nova-class, Olympic-class, Sovereign-class, Intrepid-class, Defiant-class, Akira-class, Steamrunner-class, Prometheus-class, Norway-class, Luna-class, and Vesta-class starships, absolutely nothing about the story would have changed. The fleet would still have arrived, Riker would still have had his verbal facedown with Nedar, and then the fleet would have deported.
There's no shaming in wanting more ships. But it's mean-spirited to ignore real-world production constraints, and it's just petty to decide that something so irrelevant to the actual story being told ruins the whole production for you. It's the equivalent of someone deciding they can't enjoy Macbeth because the text is inconsistent with regards to how many children Lady Macbeth had had, or that they don't like Jurassic Park because the drop-off next to the cars the T-rex attacks comes from nowhere. Imagine trying to argue that something that minor to the creative integrity of a work is a defining flaw in an essay for a college English class -- you'd just feel embarrassed for yourself because you'd realize it's a petty concern. There are legitimate arguments to make about meaningful flaws in PIC -- among those flaws, I would argue, are that: 1) black people are mostly invisible to the narrative except for Raffi; 2) Raffi, Elrod, Rios, and Hugh are insufficiently developed; 4) the hijacking of the Borg Artifact accomplishes nothing except get Elrod to Coppelius; 4) insufficient LGBTQIA+ representation; 5) Alton's face turn is insufficiently motivated; 6) Narissa's relationship with Narek feels too reminiscent of Cersei and Jamie Lannister in Game of Thrones...
I love PIC, but I acknowledge it has some real laws. But to elevate "not enough starship classes" to the level of "major reason not to like the show" is just... petty.
I love PIC, but I acknowledge it has some real laws. But to elevate "not enough starship classes" to the level of "major reason not to like the show" is just... petty.
Totally subjective, but I well and truly hated the 2380s uniforms. The aesthetic just did not work for me. I would have preferred they kept the First Contact uniforms. Starfleet changes up its uniform designs too often, IMO.
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Ok. I called beloved Jonathan Frakes bloated, what probably upset or offendet some people. This was not intendet. Where I come from, men of a certain age tend to be selfaware of their physical condition. Also we tend not to take ourselfes too seriously. In fact it is pretty common for men who left their twentys and thirtys behind to joke around how old and fat we all got. Maybe where you come from this is different, and maybe your way of living is better, but all I wanted say is that I did not expect to offend someone. And even If I offendet you, as long as you are not Jonathan Frakes, in wich case I apologise, please just relax.
@Sci
I am really happy for you that you seem to have enjoyed STP quite a lot. And on most of the points we obviously disagree is enough room for interpretation that multiple opinions can exist at the same time. But some things I found quite intersting/worth adressing:
First is the production itself: I know that the CGI-People were short on time. And I don't blame them for the underwhealming outcome of some specific shots. But that does not make it better in any means. The mistakes were made much earlyer. If the result looks cheap (stock footage, reused assets, costumes etc.) they probably should have put more money, time and effort in it in the first place. And having worked on Star Trek for twenty or fourty years does not make one unfailable.
Civillian Perspective: Let me assure you that someone who wore a uniform for almost his entire life will never ever become 100% civillian again and connot see the organization, the world or life itself like someone who never served(the other way around its the same btw.). No matter if you served in the military, the police or comparable organizations. This will always be a part of your life it, to a certain extend, defines you as a person.
Romulans:
That why its a little bit strange they almost went full Legolas with Elmo.
@Sci
I am really happy for you that you seem to have enjoyed STP quite a lot. And on most of the points we obviously disagree is enough room for interpretation that multiple opinions can exist at the same time. But some things I found quite intersting/worth adressing:
First is the production itself: I know that the CGI-People were short on time. And I don't blame them for the underwhealming outcome of some specific shots. But that does not make it better in any means. The mistakes were made much earlyer. If the result looks cheap (stock footage, reused assets, costumes etc.) they probably should have put more money, time and effort in it in the first place. And having worked on Star Trek for twenty or fourty years does not make one unfailable.
Civillian Perspective: Let me assure you that someone who wore a uniform for almost his entire life will never ever become 100% civillian again and connot see the organization, the world or life itself like someone who never served(the other way around its the same btw.). No matter if you served in the military, the police or comparable organizations. This will always be a part of your life it, to a certain extend, defines you as a person.
Romulans:
So thats interesting. If I had to describe (TNG)Romulans in one word, the first thing that comes in mind would be: KGB-Spys
That why its a little bit strange they almost went full Legolas with Elmo.
I can't say I loved Season 1 of DS9, but I think it got off to a stronger and faster start than TNG Season 1. I thought the pilot was a good start, and I liked it even more the last time I saw it again a few years back. And it had enough entertaining episodes, and characters I liked, to keep me going. But I don't think DS9 got consistently good for me until Season 3 perhaps, though I also look it like a "Riker's Beard" situation. When DS9 really took off is when Avery Brooks shaved his head and had a goatee, which is Season 4 on.
I'd also say that moment in "I, Borg", when Picard is willing to face down the combined wrath of the Borg and Starfleet if Hugh chooses to stay on the Enterprise, probably went a long way toward cementing Hugh's affection for him, especially with the passing of years and as Hugh picked up enough knowledge of the world to fully realize what a sacrifice Picard was willing to make for the sake of his freedom.
Don't have time to break it down into anything too specific. But, they're two very different series in terms of style and structure. If I were to weigh the good against the bad from each, then Picard S1 is "better" than DS9 S1. That being said, Picard hasn't got anything that approaches the quality of Duet. So far as DS9 at it's best (S5-S6)... LOL. Not really a fair comparison, but I'm not concerned about Picard dislodging DS9 as my favorite Trek series anytime soon.
Also...
Also...
So far as the copy and paste fleet in Picard, ahem...
That's how you do it.
And they fight, too!
That's how you do it.
And they fight, too!
If this were the Berman era of Trek, it would have been called a "[Insert Planet Name] [Insert Descriptive Word] [Insert Animal Name]" instead.
"Denebian Slime Devil", "Regulan Blood Worm", etc etc.
I thought that the end was extremely imaginative. That he became what Data was . . . The scenes between Picard and Data were just too touching and eerie. Riker and Troi were perfect. Most of the new characters were surprisingly interesting.
People! I am still seeing open spoilers in this thread! They might seem minor to you, but they're still spoilers.
To those using the spoiler tag, I thank you. For those of you still not using the spoiler tag, please review your posts and add spoiler tags where required.
I hate to be a hard ass, but this will be my final warning before I start issuing infractions. Either that or I will just lock the thread altogether as its connection to DS9 is tenuous at best.
To those using the spoiler tag, I thank you. For those of you still not using the spoiler tag, please review your posts and add spoiler tags where required.
I hate to be a hard ass, but this will be my final warning before I start issuing infractions. Either that or I will just lock the thread altogether as its connection to DS9 is tenuous at best.
Putting my entire post under the spoiler code to stay safe.
Intention does not negate the fact that the remark was ageist.
I agree! But that's an executive-level decision, not a production-level decision. It's not reasonable to hold something like that against the producers of Star Trek: Picard or against the show itself, because all works of art are made within the confines of external constraints placed upon them by outside forces. You judge the work by how well it operates within those limitations that it cannot help but possess. Especially when the issue in question is something so incredibly minor to the actual story being told.
And between the limitations that were placed upon the production by the studio -- i.e., the amount of time and money budgeted -- and the limitations that were placed upon the production by a society-wide emergency nobody could reasonably have prepared for (the emergence of COVID)? I'd say they did a damn good job within those constraints.
Look at it this way: Do you hold the fact that it was impossible for the production team behind "The Doomsday Machine" to create a more realistic-looking USS Constellation model against the episode itself?
Of course not. But that's not what you said. You claimed, "If there was anybody involved in the later TNG movies who understood the characters of the show, this person had no influence in the whole thing." That's just false. If you mean to say that you think their creative decisions were bad, you should say that, not claim ignorance where none exists.
Sure. But a former service member is also inherently not going to see the organization the way someone currently inside of it will. That means that you have a main cast with two broad perspectives -- a civilian perspective, and a former service-member perspective, and recurring characters with a third perspective (of those inside the institution). That's a good mix of different broad perspectives that enriches the character drama.
One of the things I really like about PIC is that it doesn't depict Romulans as a planet of hats. There's a genuine multiplicity of Romulan subcultures and attitudes. We see Romulans with TNG-style bumpy heads and TOS-style smooth heads. Elnor represents a deviation from a matriarchal noble-warrior subculture (the Qowat Milat) that resents the traditional Romulan establishment ; Laris and Zhaban are members of the former political establishment who have defected and embraced democracy; the former Romulan Senator on Vashti represents the old political establishment, having lost its way and power and embracing nationalism and racism in response; most of the Romulans aboard the Artifact represent a seeming liberalization of Romulan culture given their willingness to work alongside Federates to study and liberate former Borg; Oh/Nedra represents the old spymasters we're used to (but with a new context from our greater insight into their culture, given the motivations of the Zhat Vash); and Narissa and Narek represent a new generation of Romulan nationalists, clinging to the old ways even though they don't really work anymore. I see them almost as like the Romulan version of the alt-right. Hell, even Gabriel's wife Pel, small role though she was, seemed to represent an interesting combination of Romulan liberalism -- given her willingness to emigrate to Freecloud and marry a Human -- and Romulan traditionalism (she is pointedly one of the few Romulans we see with the old TNG-era Romulan bowl cut so common in followers of the old Romulan cultural orthodoxy during that era).
So... yeah, I like it. I like that we see Romulans from a lot of different factions and a lot of different ideas. And I do not mind the superficial resemblance to an elf, because it's coming from a direction that adds a lot of nuance to Romulan culture.
This is broadly how I feel. Although, again, I don't even know if I'm comfortable comparing them -- they're entirely different formats, doing entirely different things. Comparing PIC S1 to DS9 S1 is a bit like comparing a short novel to a long short story collection, y'know? Comparing an episode like "Stardust City Rag" to "Duet" is a bit like comparing, say, The Dark Knight to Sunset Boulevard.
While I agree that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the name "bunnicorn," I'm afraid Cutie McWhiskpers was referring to the name Sutra for the android leader on Coppelius. As others have noted, this objection is ignorant, because sutra is just a Hindi term meaning "book," and is therefore fully consistent with the pattern of names established for the androids created out of the Soong lineage: Data, Lore, Codex, Saga, etc.
Intention does not negate the fact that the remark was ageist.
I agree! But that's an executive-level decision, not a production-level decision. It's not reasonable to hold something like that against the producers of Star Trek: Picard or against the show itself, because all works of art are made within the confines of external constraints placed upon them by outside forces. You judge the work by how well it operates within those limitations that it cannot help but possess. Especially when the issue in question is something so incredibly minor to the actual story being told.
And between the limitations that were placed upon the production by the studio -- i.e., the amount of time and money budgeted -- and the limitations that were placed upon the production by a society-wide emergency nobody could reasonably have prepared for (the emergence of COVID)? I'd say they did a damn good job within those constraints.
Look at it this way: Do you hold the fact that it was impossible for the production team behind "The Doomsday Machine" to create a more realistic-looking USS Constellation model against the episode itself?
Of course not. But that's not what you said. You claimed, "If there was anybody involved in the later TNG movies who understood the characters of the show, this person had no influence in the whole thing." That's just false. If you mean to say that you think their creative decisions were bad, you should say that, not claim ignorance where none exists.
Sure. But a former service member is also inherently not going to see the organization the way someone currently inside of it will. That means that you have a main cast with two broad perspectives -- a civilian perspective, and a former service-member perspective, and recurring characters with a third perspective (of those inside the institution). That's a good mix of different broad perspectives that enriches the character drama.
One of the things I really like about PIC is that it doesn't depict Romulans as a planet of hats. There's a genuine multiplicity of Romulan subcultures and attitudes. We see Romulans with TNG-style bumpy heads and TOS-style smooth heads. Elnor represents a deviation from a matriarchal noble-warrior subculture (the Qowat Milat) that resents the traditional Romulan establishment ; Laris and Zhaban are members of the former political establishment who have defected and embraced democracy; the former Romulan Senator on Vashti represents the old political establishment, having lost its way and power and embracing nationalism and racism in response; most of the Romulans aboard the Artifact represent a seeming liberalization of Romulan culture given their willingness to work alongside Federates to study and liberate former Borg; Oh/Nedra represents the old spymasters we're used to (but with a new context from our greater insight into their culture, given the motivations of the Zhat Vash); and Narissa and Narek represent a new generation of Romulan nationalists, clinging to the old ways even though they don't really work anymore. I see them almost as like the Romulan version of the alt-right. Hell, even Gabriel's wife Pel, small role though she was, seemed to represent an interesting combination of Romulan liberalism -- given her willingness to emigrate to Freecloud and marry a Human -- and Romulan traditionalism (she is pointedly one of the few Romulans we see with the old TNG-era Romulan bowl cut so common in followers of the old Romulan cultural orthodoxy during that era).
So... yeah, I like it. I like that we see Romulans from a lot of different factions and a lot of different ideas. And I do not mind the superficial resemblance to an elf, because it's coming from a direction that adds a lot of nuance to Romulan culture.
This is broadly how I feel. Although, again, I don't even know if I'm comfortable comparing them -- they're entirely different formats, doing entirely different things. Comparing PIC S1 to DS9 S1 is a bit like comparing a short novel to a long short story collection, y'know? Comparing an episode like "Stardust City Rag" to "Duet" is a bit like comparing, say, The Dark Knight to Sunset Boulevard.
If this were the Berman era of Trek, it would have been called a "[Insert Planet Name] [Insert Descriptive Word] [Insert Animal Name]" instead.
"Denebian Slime Devil", "Regulan Blood Worm", etc etc.
While I agree that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the name "bunnicorn," I'm afraid Cutie McWhiskpers was referring to the name Sutra for the android leader on Coppelius. As others have noted, this objection is ignorant, because sutra is just a Hindi term meaning "book," and is therefore fully consistent with the pattern of names established for the androids created out of the Soong lineage: Data, Lore, Codex, Saga, etc.
A response to a point @Sci made....
Seriously? If there was something ageist in my earlyer post then its not the part about Riker. Except of course if being bloated was something that is exclusive for elderly people. It's not. I never ever felt any kind of symphathy for people who use the term sjw unironically.....and I still don't. But you could probably make me.
Seriously? If there was something ageist in my earlyer post then its not the part about Riker. Except of course if being bloated was something that is exclusive for elderly people. It's not. I never ever felt any kind of symphathy for people who use the term sjw unironically.....and I still don't. But you could probably make me.
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I thought it was pretty bad, honestly. Maybe it will get better, but I'm not very optimistic at this point.
Mixed feelings. I was really excited at the start of the series, with that solid premiere and the (very) long, slow but intriguing build up to...something that meandered and chugged a bit. “Stardust City Rag” was a real low point and terrible downer for me. The Saw-like violence was the most ill-judged thing I’ve ever seen on Trek; that and the sheer nihilism of the plot, and I started to wonder what the heck the writers were thinking. I might sound like a prude, when I’m absolutely not, but every single “F-word” seemed jarring and took me out of the moment. Bad language just doesn’t work on Trek, especially if it’s coming from a “f—king admiral”.
Things did improve substantially, but Id lost faith in the series a little bit by that point. There were too many things that just didn’t seem tight enough plot-wise, and didn’t pay-off much in the end. I also had to wonder at the budget of the series. Did they spend all their money on Sir Patrick’s salary? Quite often the sets and effects felt quite limited and cheap compared to the lavish movie-like quality we’ve been accustomed to on Discovery.
That said, the series definitely made up for horribly disappointing swansong TNG got in “Nemesis”. It was a delight to see Patrick back and relishing every scene; you could tell how invested he was in the material and he was wonderful. The new characters grew on me quickly, even if the characterisation wasn’t times inconsistent or seemed to jump around a bit. The character development didn’t always feel natural, as though certain scenes had been left on the cutting room floor and we were forced to fill in the blanks ourselves. The cinematography was particularly beautiful I have to say. And the finale was exceptionally good, and very moving.
I have to say, though, I don’t plan on rewatching the series for a considerable amount of time, if I do at all. I’m not sure what that says. I liked it, but I didn’t love it I guess,
Things did improve substantially, but Id lost faith in the series a little bit by that point. There were too many things that just didn’t seem tight enough plot-wise, and didn’t pay-off much in the end. I also had to wonder at the budget of the series. Did they spend all their money on Sir Patrick’s salary? Quite often the sets and effects felt quite limited and cheap compared to the lavish movie-like quality we’ve been accustomed to on Discovery.
That said, the series definitely made up for horribly disappointing swansong TNG got in “Nemesis”. It was a delight to see Patrick back and relishing every scene; you could tell how invested he was in the material and he was wonderful. The new characters grew on me quickly, even if the characterisation wasn’t times inconsistent or seemed to jump around a bit. The character development didn’t always feel natural, as though certain scenes had been left on the cutting room floor and we were forced to fill in the blanks ourselves. The cinematography was particularly beautiful I have to say. And the finale was exceptionally good, and very moving.
I have to say, though, I don’t plan on rewatching the series for a considerable amount of time, if I do at all. I’m not sure what that says. I liked it, but I didn’t love it I guess,
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