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Spoilers OK 9ers, how did you like S1 of ST:Picard

Regarding the reintroduction of...

Hugh, at the end of "Descent, Part II", Picard was the one to suggest to Hugh that he could be the leader of the former Borg.

I think that helped shape Hugh's hug to Picard.
 
mmmm... no.
No Starfleet, no Trek.

This could be any random sci-fi series on space without little pearls put here and there... I didn't like the season finale, just lazy writing IMO, but the series had good moments.
 
I enjoyed Season 1, but did find some parts of it to be a little underwhelming.

I would jump with joy if they announced Ira Steven Behr or Ronald D. Moore involvement in any future season of Picard
 
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I was bothered by that too.
I do like a little ship porn in Star Trek, but the Ships in new Star Trek are a little lame. DS9 really did have some awesome variety in their federation fleets.

The sweets spot is about 4/5 types which are similar in style. I saw a DS9 episode with a fleet of Galaxy, Excelsior, Nebula,a Miranda which works for me. DIS had too many classes and styles and PIC not enough
 
mmmm... no.
No Starfleet, no Trek.

This could be any random sci-fi series on space without little pearls put here and there... I didn't like the season finale, just lazy writing IMO, but the series had good moments.
Starfleet was a part of season one. It's just now we're looking at them from the outside looking in. We've never seen Starfleet from a civilian perspective before, and it's worth exploring. And the term "lazy writing" has been reduced to meaning "it's not what I wanted them to do" and has become a generic, meaningless complaint.
 
I did not like it very much. Here are some points why:

-beam into space opens rift with lovecraftian tentacle monsters
-we have romulan space-elves now
-picard is somekind of robot now. But they managed it that he has still the problems of an elderly person (being kinda slow and fragile, probably has to get up five times per night to take a piss too) so its totally fine
-I felt that not having a giant spacebattle at the end was kind of the point of the show....but they shoehorned a giant spacebattle in, so there dont has to be a giant spacebattle...
-smug and bloated Riker threatens romulans
-Rikers fleet is just ugly
-Seven of Nine finally understood what it means to be a human (being totally badass, running around punching and shooting people to death)
-the show was about the Movie Picard and not about TNG Picard
-everything looked cheap (seriosly: I have seen cosplayers wearing better uniforms)
-those androids, you know the ones living like a cult of brain amputees, neither came across as alive, nor worth all the trouble saving them
-so Data was waiting for Picard to pull the plug, cause mortality is part of being a human I guess? Why then making Jean Luc a Robot....why not let him die? Oh its to shove another season down the audiences throat..I see.

Honestly I would rather watch another season of Discovery then this. At least STD makes it easy to pretend that this all has nothing to do with Star Trek.
 
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It was good, not as good as S1 DS9

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Well I guess I've seeing about everything, when I see a sentence like that!
 
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Starfleet was a part of season one. It's just now we're looking at them from the outside looking in. We've never seen Starfleet from a civilian perspective before, and it's worth exploring.

I agree that Starfleet was a (big)part of the first season. But I don't think that we got "a civillian perspective" to an extend worth mentioning. And that we have never seen Starfleet from that perspective is just wrong. Jake Sisko and Quark for example. And there must be hours of episodes with conflicts between Starfleet personel and all kinds of civillians. Its all there.
And also I would not count former Starfleet officers and personel as civillians giving an outside perspective. So there is even less of what we never saw before, that we actually saw before.
 
I'll pass. But I'm glad for those who have enjoyed it. If they're going to have shows about captains, then let me know when it's time for Star Trek: A Man Called Sisko. :lol:
 
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Star Trek: A Man Called Sisko.

Shut up and take my mon....wait. Showrunner Alex Kurtzman? Directed by Shane Black? Get ready for the big Showdown when the Siskos (Will and Jaden Smith) save the ten known Multiverses by getting into their Warp Battlesuits (forged with Vulcan Supersteele) to rip off a 200ft tall CGI-Dukats head. We never saw it before...
 
I did not like it very much. Here are some points why:

-beam into space opens rift with lovecraftian tentacle monsters
-we have romulan space-elves now
-picard is somekind of robot now. But they managed it that he has still the problems of an elderly person (being kinda slow and fragile, probably has to get up five times per night to take a piss too) so its totally fine
-I felt that not having a giant spacebattle at the end was kind of the point of the show....but they shoehorned a giant spacebattle in, so there dont has to be a giant spacebattle...
-smug and bloated Riker threatens romulans
-Rikers fleet is just ugly
-Seven of Nine finally understood what it means to be a human (being totally badass, running around punching and shooting people to death)
-the show was about the Movie Picard and not about TNG Picard
-everything looked cheap (seriosly: I have seen cosplayers wearing better uniforms)
-those androids, you know the ones living like a cult of brain amputees, neither came across as alive, nor worth all the trouble saving them
-so Data was waiting for Picard to pull the plug, cause mortality is part of being a human I guess? Why then making Jean Luc a Robot....why not let him die? Oh its to shove another season down the audiences throat..I see.

Honestly I would rather watch another season of Discovery then this. At least STD makes it easy to pretend that this all has nothing to do with Star Trek.



Riker's cut'n'paste fleet was utterly laughable. Even HD fan videos on youtube showed a lot of custom work that looks so much more like Starfleet...

The TNG movies did redefine Picard already so it's hard to quarrel against PIC continuing with that.

Then again, none of the TNG movies would dare use slang lingo like "JL", "XB", and so on; it just comes off as being pretentious and silly.

Of course, the idea of "robot made from biological cells" is pretty dumb, too; "Blade Runner" is a tad overrated, or at least works for other reasons. And, yes, there are a number of scenes in PIC that are very worthy. Including scenes hinting at off-screen developments over time. The Picard-sees-Hugh scene being one solid example. The show isn't my thing but there are some good scenes. Individual tastes may vary. Just like Soylent Green, thank you Turanga Leela! :guffaw:

And, again, the acting by all in this show is universally high. The actress playing Raffi, who reminds me of my ex with the booze-n-ciggie problems but actually deserves sympathy, is arguably the best. Hasn't smoking been banned since the 23rd century? There's a miniseries just waiting to be happen, how they smuggle in cigs from-- oh good grief...

Can someone tell me how taking a 1mm x 1mm square of a blank page from one encyclopedia can be cloned into recreating the complete volume set with all printed within? That's as (expletives far more worthy on the show as opposed to being said by characters on it deleted) as saying how Data and his memories were reconstituted. I miss the 1980s/early-90s where they aped Unix instead of today's "magic wand unicorn breeding factory".

Actors in "Nemesis" in a commentary opined Soong may have a biological son and other things PIC pretty much took and ran with.

Picard in the TNG TV show did seem to support individual choice regarding assisted suicide in "Ethics", though how Data became so nihilistic is something else entirely.

JL now being a robot with pre-programmed shutoff subroutine is laughably bad. And everyone acts as if he's still his original organic self. This might work if Picard's mind was frankensteined without his being aware of it... but...

Seven is Ms Terminator, aiming two semiautomatics simultaneously. Loaded with more slang. A person can recover from the trauma she experienced but she seems too far different to really believe into. Not unlike Mickey from Doctor Who, who became super-extrovert after being a crude joke for his first year but finally given hackneyed development in his second (and within the span of a few episodes). The premise "I'm the tin dog" and self-awareness is quite good, but they went from one extreme side of caricature to the other. In a show that was trying to pander to everything "modern day Earth-as-you-know-it".

Riker was the best thing about it, especially in the finale. His weight is irrelevant, it happens to most who age - we're all unique individuals but we're all still human and we all age and we can all gain weight due to a wide variety of circumstances, including those people often don't say as the knee-jerk response. Like medication side-effects or stress.

Weren't the tentacles and big magical space orchids inspired by some video game? (To be fair, Trek has often used space-faring critters... most of which have been just as laughably bad too. Tin Man might be the exception but even then, none of them travels faster than light so they're going nowhere very slowly. And even in the 1960s, they'd know that too. Of course, who was thinking of the big mystery blob with Jefferson Airplane single-cell blob inside as traveling FTL? :guffaw: The concept and execution did enough to distract from the basic oopsie... which is probably why I'm a fan of "Space 1999" despite how ludicrous the premise was. Overlook that and some individual episodes really pack a punch. "War Games" is a classic... and why aren't I talking about sausage and donut sandwiches? :guffaw:)
 
Well I dont think it matters that someone speculated on Soong probably having a Son. (btw. If there was anybody involved in the later TNG movies who understood the characters of the show, this person had no influence in the whole thing. Thats why movie Picard is not TNG Picard and the movies should not be canon.) They had Spiner so they layed out a red herring. Thats why A.I. Soong came across a little shady. To make the audience speculate if he is Lore. Same with the whole Borg plot that didn't really go anywhere. To make us speculate if they were created by the romulans or whatever. And thats why a romulan TOS era ship showed up in a trailer. The whole premise of the show was to shoehorn stuff in that makes us speculate and allows for twists, not to tell a compelling story.

Riker: Yes Riker was probably the best thing of the show. And I really feel with Frakes because....well I am aging too.
But, beside the fact that his appearence in the last episode was damn obvious, his whole attitude was too much for me. Instead of him showing up and solving the problem with the good old "we have many guns...we strong" argument, it would have been nicer if the whole situation was solved with Picards Diplomacy superpowers of reason and understanding. But then Riker would have had no reason to show up and be totally badass (and also they would have had to put the effort in to write real characters and stuff instead of one dimensional mustache twirling villains and rolling the plot together). Because thats ingredient number two. Badass......Badass and Twists. (and don't get me started on poor Annika Hansen and her miserable life as some kind of gun blazing 80's B-movie space bounty hunter or whatever she was....totally badass)
 
If anyone's enjoyment of Picard was ruined because the Federation ships were "wrong", I humbly suggest you are watching it wrong.

This is a serious case of victim blaming.

I would not say it "ruined" the show for me. But it definately did not add any excitement. And why would anybody expect less from STP then from STD?
 
This is a serious case of victim blaming.

I would not say it "ruined" the show for me. But it definately did not add any excitement. And why would anybody expect less from STP then from STD?
Picard wasn't about Starfleet ship design details. If it's victim blaming to suggest you were barking up the wrong tree expecting it...
 
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Picard wasn't about Starfleet ship design details. If it's victim blaming to suggest you were barking up the wrong tree expecting it...

Ok. So the fleet in Discovery was much more diverse and interesting because the show was about the design details of those ships?
 
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