NX-01 and USS Dauntless (NX-01-A) from Voyager

[jefferiestubes8]

I was just watching the Voyager episode "Hope and Fear"

VOY, Episode 4x26, Production number: 194
First aired: 20 May 1998
USS Dauntless (NX-01-A), an alien vessel used in a plot against the USS Voyager.
Teleplay By
Brannon Braga & Joe Menosky
Story By
Rick Berman & Brannon Braga & Joe Menosky

and was thinking about the Starfleet designation even though the USS Dauntless was a alien vessel. Since it aired in 1998 had any writers already started thinking about Enterprise and the NX-01 ship that would air only 3 years later?

"Broken Bow"
ENT, Episode 1x01, Production number: 001
First aired: 26 September 2001
Enterprise (NX-01) was the peak point of the NX Project. The NX-01 was the first NX class starship, launched by the United Earth Starfleet in 2151.

The NX-01-A bridge design did look a little like the NX-01 including the ceiling and railing.
The engineering though did not. I can't even put my finger on what the engineering looked like from other Starfleet ships engineering.

according to Wikipedia:

The making of this episode is heavily documented in the 1998 book Star Trek: Action!.

Can anyone enlighten us on the design of the USS Dauntless (NX-01-A)? By the way since it was 1998 what was the bridge constructed from? What sets were redressed to become the NX-01-A bridge and engineering?
Did Rick Berman, Brannon Braga, Joe Menosky use NX-01-A designation to specifically design the Enterprise (NX-01)?


related:
Dauntless & Slipstream Technology.
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=33722

 

[ChristopherPike]

I'm not sure can I answer your questions. But based on that other well-known user of the 'A', shouldn't an NX-01-A be called... well not, Dauntless? Nah, that would've been confusing with it already attached to Star Trek's most famous personalised licence plate.

It reveals that the writers had in mind that somewhere in Star Trek's backstory, an important Starfleet warp powered ship would get the NX-01 registry. But if 01 is that important, you imagine that B, C, D would've been used up for other speed barriers broken by the 24th Century. As usual I'm over thinking this. The Exelsior trialed transwarp with NX-2000 didn't it? Maybe a pointless discussion since the Dauntless was fictious and possibly the most over complicated honeytrap, the Voyager crew almost fell hook, line and sinker for.

 

[jefferiestubes8]

The Exelsior trialed transwarp with NX-2000 didn't it?

Maybe a pointless discussion since the Dauntless was fictious

No ChristopherPike I don't feel it is pointless as I want to find out about the ship's fictitous Starfleet designation from VOY writers and ENT writers actual Starfleet designation and the actual bridge/engineering designs rather than the Trek tech used on the ship like transwarp or Slipstream .

 

[ChristopherPike]

Yes but the trouble is that whole plot to capture the Voyager and deliver them to the Borg, was hatched by Arturius (in all intents and purposes a forerunner to Nero - obsessive, blames a Starfleet Officer for his woes). He manufactures a ship with holographic power enough to fool them into thinking they're looking at something experimental Starfleet has cooked up. The NX-01-A designation is meaningless and Arturius just made it up. Where would he get information about the history of Starfleet from? The real message from Admiral Hayes was just an apology with some Delta Quadrant star charts in it. Probably no help at all.

 

[jefferiestubes8]

I'm not concerned with how Arturius may have come up with the Starfleet vessel id. I posted this in the ENT forum to maybe gather some info on how ENT writers came up with the NX01 designation. Was it planned for 3 years before "Broken Bow" was produced? Was the actual NX01 bridge on ENT inspired by this fictitous ship from 2 1/2 years before?

 

[ChristopherPike]

This may, or may not be of help...

http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/u-s-s-dauntless/

I doubt any thought was put into the NX-01-A designation. It was a minor detail in the story, lending some believability to that set-up. Starfleet calls its experimental attempt at slipstream that and the Voyager crew don't question it at first, because they all want it to be true.

I'm a huge fan of ENT and have to say, the Dauntless looks absolutely nothing like the NX-01 bridge. It's another of those comments that I generally grit my teeth when I hear them... like how it supposedly looks like the Defiant too. There just tends to be an overall Starfleet style to all the bridges in Star Trek, but they're quite different in appearance. The Dauntless bridge (before its true colours are revealed) is blindlingly white and minimalistic. A couple of floating island consoles facing outwards, a main helm console like Paris' aboard Voyager but little else. It's sparse. While the NX-01 is bulky, gunmetal grey, complicated and the handrails little more than scaffolding in places.

 

[Saul]

I had imagined the Enterprise NX was always called Dauntless until Cochrane renamed her to honor the crew of the Enterprise E.

 

[jefferiestubes8]

I'm a huge fan of ENT and have to say, the Dauntless looks absolutely nothing like the NX-01 bridge.

I disagree. The color is different but there are some similarities.
This answers a few questions.
Uncertain Ship Names and Registries
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/ship_names.htm

a photo of the bridge and a 3-D illustration cutaway
USS Dauntless
http://www.utopiaplanitia.info/dauntlessbridge.html


Enterprise NX-01 3-D illustation cutway
http://www.geocities.com/brightestnewstar/pics/nx-01bridge.jpg



compare these two USS Dauntless main bridge
http://www.utopiaplanitia.info/ships/daunt/port.jpg



To be perfectly honest the USS Prometheus (NX-59650/NX-74913 bridge looks closer to the U.S.S. Dauntless main bridge and also the exterior of the USS Prometheus.
http://www.utopiaplanitia.info/ships/prom/port1.jpg
http://www.utopiaplanitia.info/prombridge.html
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/USS_Prometheus_(Prometheus_class)
VOY: "Message in a Bottle")
USS Prometheus circa 2378
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Message_in_a_Bottle_(episode)

 

[Mirren Audax]

I had imagined the Enterprise NX was always called Dauntless until Cochrane renamed her to honor the crew of the Enterprise E.

I agree; it's a shame however that this was never somehow confirmed on the show, especially after they discover the Borg remains in the Arctic.

 

[jefferiestubes8]

this was never somehow confirmed on the show, especially after they discover the Borg remains in the Arctic.

The whole "Regeneration" episode which aired near the end of season 2.

 

[Tallis Rhul]

I have Star Trek: Action, and the in-depth making of the episode makes no reference to any plans for Enterprise, however being as the book was released years before the show I don't think they would have said anything in there, as it would have given the game away! They would have been announcing the show before it had been properly conceived.

I don't think the book is going to help you much, unless there's anything specific you want to know?

 

[FalTorPan]

I'm not sure can I answer your questions. But based on that other well-known user of the 'A', shouldn't an NX-01-A be called... well not, Dauntless? Nah, that would've been confusing with it already attached to Star Trek's most famous personalised licence plate.

Here's a possibilty: Earth Starfleet's NX-01, Enterprise, was launched in 2151. The UFP Starfleet's NX-01, USS Dauntless, was launched sometime during or after 2161.

 

[nx1701g]

I'm not sure can I answer your questions. But based on that other well-known user of the 'A', shouldn't an NX-01-A be called... well not, Dauntless? Nah, that would've been confusing with it already attached to Star Trek's most famous personalised licence plate.

Here's a possibilty: Earth Starfleet's NX-01, Enterprise, was launched in 2151. The UFP Starfleet's NX-01, USS Dauntless, was launched sometime during or after 2161.

And Enterprise was on its way to the boneyards for decommissioning in These are the Voyages. Easy answer:

Enterprise NX-01 - Earth Starfleet Vessel
USS Dauntless NX-01 - Federation Starfleet Vessel.

 

[Timo]

Or even:

* Enterprise NX-01 - United Earth Starfleet inaugural deep space exploration supership
* Freedom NCC-01 - UFP Starfleet inaugural starship
* Dauntless NX-01A - UFP Starfleet inaugural hypersupertranswarpship (fictional)

Perhaps in Arturis' fictional Starfleet, the numbering began anew from 01 because the Dauntless represented an entirely new breed of starship, one as different from the preceding ones as the first airships were from the sailing ships of the time.

Timo Saloniemi