Lursa and B'etor

[USS Triumphant]

In Generations, there was enough time when the torpedo started coming in from Enterprise for the Klingons to realize what was happening and take some minimal actions. I find it hard to believe that Lursa and/or B'etor wouldn't have activated the transporter and beamed down to Veridian III. So, did they survive? And if they beamed down to the same coordinates where they put Picard, wouldn't they also be in the Nexus?

 

[Leto_II]

Funnily enough, early drafts of the screenplay reportedly had the Duras twins surviving the blast (getting to escape pods, or whatever), and later getting arrested planetside near the wreckage of the Enterprise-D saucer section by Starfleet.

I think they made the better creative-choice in the finished film -- it was time for them to die already.

 

[Melakon]

DS9 only used them once, and didn't seem to have any interest in bringing them back, so it was probably best to let the film finish them off. Else they would have kept popping up to give Worf trouble on the station or something.

 

[RunawayStarShip]

I'm going to say the slow-moving torpedo and long stares were for dramatic effect, just like the Jem'hadar attack ship slowing down just before it hits the Odyssey.

 

[wulfio]

That cleavage though.

 

[Melakon]

long stares

=

That cleavage though.

with no padding.

 

[2takesfrakes]

When that photon torpedo took its sweet time heading over, instead of Lursa & B'etor just staring at the screen as if it was all OUR fault, they should've been taking evasive action and all that. Had they survived, though, what impact would it have had, after every TREK character before that's died and come back, already - some more than once! Blow up the ENTERPRISE? Who cares? You know they'll just build another one. It's just more of the same, really, so why not? Let them live to plague the 24th Century with their sisterly mischief ...

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I'm glad they died. I couldn't stand them. Never mind B'Etor's chest - they were just annoying characters. And it didn't help that they were Romulan collaborators, which in and of itself made their deaths even better.

I like that one line B'Etor had in the Klingon Honor Guard game, though: "Some day, the sons of Mogh will be the death of us."

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

I like to think that they had an escape plan figured out, but that only B'Etor managed to implement the emergency beam out in time. Badly burned and disfigured, she has been slowly planning her revenge...

 

[Lance]

In Generations, there was enough time when the torpedo started coming in from Enterprise for the Klingons to realize what was happening and take some minimal actions. I find it hard to believe that Lursa and/or B'etor wouldn't have activated the transporter and beamed down to Veridian III. So, did they survive? And if they beamed down to the same coordinates where they put Picard, wouldn't they also be in the Nexus?

Funnily enough, early drafts of the screenplay reportedly had the Duras twins surviving the blast (getting to escape pods, or whatever), and later getting arrested planetside near the wreckage of the Enterprise-D saucer section by Starfleet.

DS9 only used them once, and didn't seem to have any interest in bringing them back, so it was probably best to let the film finish them off. Else they would have kept popping up to give Worf trouble on the station or something.

I don't know. It might've been nice to have kept them alive, to have kept the story going, and given Worf an opportunity to take them down personally (yeah yeah, I know, technically he fired the Torpedo that killed them..... but that's not really the same thing, is it? )

TNG spent quite a lot of time and effort building up the whole ongoing Worf/Duras storyline, and it seems a shame to me that they so arbitrarily finished it here. Mind you, when they made GENS, they had no idea Worf was going to move over to DS9 yet, so maybe they just figured it wasn't going to be something they were gonna need to tackle in the coming movies?

 

[2takesfrakes]

That cleavage though.

Don't ask me why, but I always presumed their cleavage to be artificial, like Khan's fake chest. That it was actually just a part of the costume. And I always hated seeing it, for that reason. Always with the fake chests in this franchise ...

 

[bbjeg]

Perhaps while cloaking (the non-standard way), all other ship functions cease.

 

[Maurice]

That cleavage though.

Don't ask me why, but I always presumed their cleavage to be artificial, like Khan's fake chest. That it was actually just a part of the costume. And I always hated seeing it, for that reason. Always with the fake chests in this franchise ...

Nick Meyer swears up and down that Khan's chest is not a fake.

 

[Melakon]

The costume designer for Lursa and B'etor said neither Gwynneth Walsh nor Barbara March needed additional padding. The costumes' foundations however, probably had some underwiring going on is my guess.

And agree on Montalban. He had been a Latin lover type in his early career, and probably had a regular exercise program into his sixties.

 

[bbailey861]

I like to think that they had an escape plan figured out, but that only B'Etor managed to implement the emergency beam out in time. Badly burned and disfigured, she has been slowly planning her revenge...

I like them both so I refuse to believe they are dead. I like this idea, but both made it out and not just B'Etor.

 

[Melakon]

I like to think that they had an escape plan figured out, but that only B'Etor managed to implement the emergency beam out in time. Badly burned and disfigured, she has been slowly planning her revenge...

I like them both so I refuse to believe they are dead. I like this idea, but both made it out and not just B'Etor.

They're definitely a double act. Lursa is the brains, B'etor the seductress.

 

[Khan 2.0]

Lursa and B'etor had no business being in a star trek movie

 

[erastus25]

DS9 only used them once, and didn't seem to have any interest in bringing them back, so it was probably best to let the film finish them off. Else they would have kept popping up to give Worf trouble on the station or something.

I don't know. It might've been nice to have kept them alive, to have kept the story going, and given Worf an opportunity to take them down personally (yeah yeah, I know, technically he fired the Torpedo that killed them..... but that's not really the same thing, is it? )

TNG spent quite a lot of time and effort building up the whole ongoing Worf/Duras storyline, and it seems a shame to me that they so arbitrarily finished it here. Mind you, when they made GENS, they had no idea Worf was going to move over to DS9 yet, so maybe they just figured it wasn't going to be something they were gonna need to tackle in the coming movies?

I'm guessing that if they had known the Klingons would be major players on DS9 they might have kept them around. Although, the DS9 producers may also have realized they were lame and too cartoon-y for that show and just never mentioned them again.

Lursa and B'etor had no business being in a star trek movie

That's good, b/c Generations is more a mediocre episode than an actual movie.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

That cleavage though.

Don't ask me why, but I always presumed their cleavage to be artificial, like Khan's fake chest.

Neither of those were fake.

 

[wulfio]

I don't think they were fake.